The skin's are an anomaly this season, their defense is near the bottom for pts per game despite pretty good overall yds per game, rushing yds and receiving yds per game. Given the rest of their schedule I tend to think pts per game will improve to match their overall defensive standing. For Cousins to do what he has this year given the talent around him, shedding Garcon, and Jackson, signing Pryor who has sh*t the bed, Reed is always hurt, Crowder has 1 100 yd game, no consistent run game etc. is pretty impressive. You can argue that Vernon Davis has been their most consistent skill player. Surround him with better talent and a healthy O-Line and he would do great, even now he makes these scrubs look competitive against playoff caliber teams. If you offered me the next 10 years of Cousins and then using top 2 Jets picks to solidify the O line or one on O line and the other on Penn State RB I'll take that any day over any QB coming out in this years draft.
No. There's not a single QB in this draft I would give up 3 1st rounders to take. Not Rosen, not Darnold, and certainly none of the rest. I would have for Wentz and probably would have for Mahomes if necessary. If Rosen is sitting there at the Jets pick in the 1st round, then they have to take him. If Mayfield is sitting there at their 2nd round pick, they probably have to take him if they didn't get Rosen in the 1st round. They should definitely draft a QB at some point in the 2018 draft unless they just don't like any of them. Again, the goal isn't just being a "good" team for a few years. So Cousins isn't even a consideration for me. If it comes down to it, I'd rather struggle with Petty and Hack for a season or two until there is a QB the Jets really like and can draft, than sign Cousins. It may not come down to that. There may be a QB sitting there at the Jets #1 pick in 2018 or at their 2nd round pick that they like and think they can develop. One thing I know for certain, McCown wouldn't be back and neither Cousins or any other FA QB would be here either. When you're rebuilding your team, winning games shouldn't be the first consideration. That's the problem now. Mac is trying to rebuild and develop the team, and that dumbass Bowles only cares about himself and his career. Bowles should have been fired following last season, and an offensive minded HC should have been hired to help build the team and develop Petty and Hack or the QB the Jets drafted. Just because we have the cap space and aren't paying a ton of money to any one player, doesn't mean that we should go out and sign Cousins or any huge contract FA. We totally agree that the Jets cannot keep signing older vet/JAG QBs and that they can't continue to ignore the fact that we need a FQB. That's why I think we HAVE to get one IN THE DRAFT.
The problem IMO is that the Jets have been mediocre for about 7 seasons and we keep on doing the same thing over and over again. I can't fault Bowles for playing the clearly better QB, doing anything other than that would be dishonest even if we all know that playing Petty and Hack would be more beneficial for evaluation purposes. It's also very possible that both Bowles and Macc already know Petty and Hack aren't the answer because Petty played a few regular season games last year and Hack was given a ton of opportunities in the preseason. Right now, the Jets need to address the QB position, whether through FA or draft, it needs to be done. I think this fanbase is tired of the same shit every year and to be quite honest, I can't remember a season I was this disengaged from the team and whether they win or lose. I come on the forum because I want to see what everyone else thinks but for me there's nothing exciting about the team. We have a few nice players but we don't have a young QB, a savior QB through free agency and our coaching staff is just ok, not one that Jets can go to the promised land with. Also, not sold on Macc although I do think he has done better with talent evaluations than what we've had in the past.
I agree that the Jets can't keep doing things the same way, but not for the same reasons. I totally disagree with your evaluation/assertion that Bowles can't be faulted for playing the clearly better QB and that doing anything else would be dishonest. You don't know that McCown IS the better QB. He's more experienced, but that doesn't mean he's better. When your team is taking on a rebuild and youth movement, a wise HC works with the GM in developing the young players and determining who can help them going forward. Only a selfish SOB excuse for a HC who obviously isn't invested in the team, and doesn't care about the team's future focuses only on winning as many games as he can regardless. If both Bowles and Mac made an evaluation of Petty after a few regular season games last year with half the team having quit on the season, with shit game plans, and with little or no practice or development of Petty by Gailey and his hack QB Coach, then both Bowles and Mac should be fired right now. I don't think Bowles knows his ass from a hole in the ground. I have almost zero respect for him as a man or as a football coach. I think the problem is that it's a dysfunctional franchise from the owner down. We have an effing dilettante as an owner who is too stupid or too arrogant to hire a real football man to run the team. He goes more by personality than acumen, experience, skill or knowledge in the GMs and HCs he hires. He has a screwed up org chart where the HC and GM can be at cross purposes and working against each other. Honestly, I wish they'd just fold the franchise. It's a disgrace to the NFL and to professional sports. It's pathetic and a damn joke that they have NEVER had their own stadium, their own home. They have had morons owning the team for over half a century. I'm about at the point where I'm ready to abandon this team, start rooting against them, and hope they never win another game I'm so fed up with the incompetence and stupidity.
Moving up 5 spots At the cost of 3 first rounders is a tough pill to swallow but if it’s for Rosen & there’s no other alternative I’m pulling the trigger. The modern game drastically over values 1st round picks & if a team’s gm/scouts are worth anything they can compensate for the lack of premium selection by trading down in other rounds & making quality picks. Let’s also bare in mind in this scenario we aren’t giving up any of the other 2018 picks which includes 2 second rounders.We could take advantage by either keeping the picks & nailing the picks drastically altering the roster in a one year swoop or trade back for picks in future drafts thus minimizing the long term blow of the massive trade just executed. I don’t care that he isn’t Andrew Luck bc he doesn’t need to be.He still projects as a franchise altering player w top leadership & for my money is the best I’ve seen come out SINCE Luck.Franchise QB trumps all..you can survive a few wasted first rounders..not having & then passing on the chance at a FQB no matter the price is death
Fair but do you have confidence that Maccagnan is a good enough scout/GM to go ahead and pick up talent despite not having 3 firsts? Rosen has his problems, can be better with his attitude and needs to stop throwing stupid interceptions but the tools are all there and he for sure looks to be the most comfortable/FQB looking prospect coming out. If we had a better GM I would be more confident in trading away a bunch of picks, I just don't know if I can honestly say Maccagnan has shown enough to warrant that confidence. He's no Ozzy Newsome, he's not Kevin Colbert, or any other elite GM. I think he's pretty middling and if we go ahead and part with that many picks its not only for the now, but also for the future.
Mac shoved the “sit & develop” philosphy down our throats w both Petty & Hack only to find out that Bowles coordinator did absolutely NOTHING in 2 years time to develop either of em.Think Bowles gives a shit?They aren’t 35 or older so hell no!Doesnt seem he was ever on board w the drafting of either player & im beginning to wonder if he cares about the QB positionat all!!The sooner this regime is gone the better
They can franchise him too. Think they should let him play and see what he can do before locking into a long term deal. They will have a top 2 pick so they can draft a QB if they are not sold on him. $20 million vs around $ 24 million is nothing considering San Fran will have over $117 million in cap space available in 2018
You make good points..I guess I just see it as let’s get the QB & we can worry about future years& drafts as they come..Mac may not be around for those anyway..even so I’m more confident in his ability to trade back & stock pile picks In that scenario than I am him finding a QB outside of Rd 1.
If we do trade away those picks, an extension for Mac should be given to him so he's here for the long haul. Shouldn't saddle the future GM, if there is any, with that kind of burden IMO. It would also be a vote of confidence
This idea of Cousins being 'old' at 30 is laughable. Brady is 40, Brees is 38 and they're still taking names and kicking butt.
I agree. Not that he'll ever be Brees/Brady caliber, but he's in his prime & has at least another 6 effective years left.
I disagree that Mac shoved anything down our throats. It was the right approach. The Jets had rushed Sanchez onto the field, when EVERYONE knew that Sanchez needed to sit for at least a year, if not two. The last time the Jets had drafted a young QB and allowed him to sit for a couple of years was Pennington, and ironically, he probably could have started his rookie season and been better than Interceptaverde. Both Petty and Hack were acknowledged to be projects. You don't rush projects onto the field and throw them to the wolves. That's the best way to ruin a project. You can object to Mac's drafting project QBs, and that's a fair criticism/complaint, but not the way he handled them. The problem is that Bowles, Gailey and his hack QB Coach did NOTHING, nor did they care. That's where if Mac had been their boss, he could have ordered them to develop Petty and Hack and give him regular reports, or fired their no good asses.
how the fuck do you know? Is it even possible for a coaching staff to do nothing to develop a QB as you suggest? You acknowledged they should not have played the 2 young QBs but also think they should be developing them? how? and again, how the fuck do you know?
Why would you give him an extension just because he traded up for a QB? What if the QB is a bust? Then you've extended the GM that gave up all those picks and missed. You're guaranteeing that the team will stay mediocre in that scenario, and that the Johnsons will be out a lot of money, even if they fire him. It would be a tough situation for a new GM to come into, but I don't think it would be the first time a rookie GM had to deal with having no high draft picks in his first season or two. Even if it would be the first time, there would be less pressure because that QB had busted, and the new GM wouldn't have any high draft picks, so it would be just do the best you can with the mess you inherited. He'd have a built-in excuse for a year or two, and have time to grow into the job before he had to make high picks and go after another QB.
Pennington sat because Herm didn't trust him. He didn't start Pennington until our record was so bad that he had no choice (0-4 I believe). Most coaches don't play young guys until they have no other choice.
A #1 QB in the draft would get a contract in the range of $30M over 4 years with a 5th year option, I am sure he was saying Garappolo will be looking at $20M a year minimum on a new contract
You’re misinterpreting my disdain.I agree that Not rushing a QB is the right approach..but wouldn’t you at least make sure your HC/OC were on board before making the proclamation to a fan base starved for a legit signal caller?we were made to believe the organization had a plan to develop a QB..but it’s clear Gailey & Bowles were never on board w that.Bowles wants veteran style QB play & until said young QB displays that he isn’t gonna play them in te regular season & isn’t going to mandate anything in terms of further development What good is Mac saying that & believing that if the head coach & offensive coordinator have no desire to put it into action? It speaks to lack of cohesion in the organization..they’re all to blame
Fair enough, I am not up on contracts and the like, still it is what it is, they get a potential beast QB and leave themselves with a number 1 or 2 pick to strengthen elsewhere or ironically Garoppolo could be that good that he gives them 5 or 6 wins before the season ends and they blow getting the stud RB lol
