If the Colts were willing to trade Luck, you have to assume that they figure he's done, so I would steer far away from him. He would cost a fortune, and then perhaps never play a down for us, ir if he does play, suffer a career-ending injury before winning a SB with us. As much as I think Rosen could be "The One", if we can't get him there are other options, beginning with possibly taking Barkley and a "2nd Tier" QB who wouldn't have to be the Second Coming of Joe Wille right away with Barkley carrying the load. And if that QB did't work out, they could take another shot in 2019 - maybe Darnold will be ready by then.
The only difference between this and the Peyton Manning situation is Manning was a ton older. To me, if Colts want to move on, its a huge red flag because they don't feel confident he can have a lengthy career ahead of him.
Don't think Colts will draft a QB if Luck can return healthy. That would create unecessary drama for that team and they also have Jacoby Brisset as well. Nonetheless, Colts may very well shop the pick so they can accumulate more draft capital to fill more holes. They need o-line help bad
I hope the tank is back on. I've already become bored with the Jets surprising a few teams. I feel them slipping into mediocrity like they've been since about 2011. There was a few years there when this team looked special. But now they look like any Herm Edwards team in any year he coached here. Mac has shown a penchant for fucking up the draft when he doesn't have top 10 picks, so I really hope the Jets lose out and secure top 5 pick.
They're/We're not wishing the Jets are as bad as the Browns, Giants and 49ers, just that our W-L record was as bad. There's a big difference. Sorry that you can't see it. We were wishing that the Jets would play hard, disciplined football, showing that we have young players on the team that can help us going forward, but that we wound up losing every game because the other teams were more talented, had better coaching, and because young teams often have to learn how to win and how to hold onto leads.
Trading for an injured QB, even Luck, would be a typical stupid Jets move. Luck has been injured most of the last two years. The Jets finally started doing things the right way (at least partially) by jettisoning older, expensive players, and going with a youth movement and a complete rebuild. The dumbest possible thing they could do would be to trade multiple high picks for a QB that has hardly played the last two seasons and when he did play, didn't play very well. Jets fans. SMH
Come on, don't be like the freaking NY Media. According to the Star Ledger, he's been sending these videos out every Sunday for a while. He was not attacking Catanzaro
SMH at Jets fans? Which is more absurd, the Jets starting Josh McCown or pondering the possibility (on a message board) of a trade for a QB who may become available due to interesting circumstances? The injury rate in football is 99% certain. You obviously don't blindly trade for the player, you built in caveats barring medical evaluation by your doctors. What quarterback on the planet do you recommend that will avoid injury? Edit: I also have to add the buy low factor. Precisely speaking to your initial point re: the Jets doing things the wright way. The team cannot afford to trade up in the 2018 draft to get the QB of their choosing so buying low on a QB may be the team's best option.
Would I rather we have Rosen or the like fall into our laps?Of course. But I don’t think Mac has any clue how to pick a QB in the draft so much so..I think he deliberately avoids taking QBs in round 1 for that very reason.Im convinced part of the reason for taking Hack was to buy him time to figure something else out.They sat him for a year,now they’re pointing to his age..come offseason we’ll be hearing about how he’s made strides & that camp will be a huge for him. If we can’t get a new GM who actually comprehends the notion of scoring points or how to scout/develop a QB I guess next best would be a guy like Luck.I don’t worry about the injuries if he can pass the physical...I worry about protecting him & him being held back by our gutless “played scared” idiotic infrastructure that starts w the head coach. But at least he’s competent,is a leader & can raise the level of play of those around him. Macs not drafting our savior..sorry..more likely he drafts back to back safeties yet again
I know someone that had a discussion with Mac about drafting QB's. He basically said its a total crap shoot so you just keep drafting until one sticks. This took place during last season well after he drafted Hack. While his opinion isn't necessarily wrong (1st round QB's are at best a 50:50 shot to succeed) he's actions were. If it's a crap shoot you don't take a 4th / 5th round pick in round 2 when you could have selected a starting impact player. I have no issue with the Petty pick where he was picked whether he ultimately works out or not. The Hack pick is the most worrisome thing to me, either he was completely led on and believed his scouts, in which case they should have been fired or he over-ruled them and made the choice himself, in which case his head needs to be on the block if he screws the pooch again with a QB pick in the 2018 draft. If this team winds up with say the 8th-12th pick in the draft I have no confidence he will make the right move until he proves otherwise. If they get a top pick and a QB falls in their lap like Williams did then he will take the QB as the heat will be off him for picking a consensus top of the draft QB. For that reason alone I hope they do wind up with a top pick.. it eliminates the thought process for Mac.
Both are absurd, imo. McCown should not be starting and trading for Luck would be beyond dumb unless he's totally healthy and will have no long-term effects from his injury(ies). It isn't about avoiding injuries, but then you know that. Injuries are gonna happen to most players. It's one thing for them to happen to a young draft pick who hasn't been injured before, at least not in the NFL, and it's quite another to trade multiple high picks for a player who has taken a pounding during his NFL career, been badly injured the last two seasons and who may never be the same player again.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. Last year was the first year that Mac had a chance to take a QB in the 1st round. I think he did inquire about trading up with Tennessee in 2015, but they made it clear that they weren't trading the pick. What other QB would you have had him draft in the 1st round after Winston and Mariota were gone? In 2016, I would have loved to have seen Mac take Wentz, but I don't think Philly was gonna pass on Wentz. Didn't they trade up in order to take Wentz? I don't think the Rams would have traded out of the 1st pick, either, and I sure didn't want Goff. Did you want Mac to take Paxton Lynch? I didn't. I initially liked him, but I learned that he didn't do well on the whiteboard/football IQ aspect, so didn't want him. There was no other QB worthy of being taken in the 1st round that year, and some have said that they didn't think any of the 3 QBs taken in the 1st round were really worthy of being 1st round picks, or at least as high as they were chosen. So this year was the only draft where Mac had a legitimate chance to take a QB. I would have loved it if he took Mahomes, but can totally understand why he didn't. That may prove to be a big mistake, but with Bowles here, I don't think Mahomes would have ever developed. The same probably goes for Watson. It isn't the GM's job to develop players. It's his job to identify the best players available in the draft and FA, and then go get them. It's the CS's job to develop players. Saying that it's more likely that Mac drafts back-to-back safeties again is just dumb and beneath you. You're smarter than that, but I can understand your cynicism when it comes to the Jets.
I think any new HC/GM combo that’s taking a Job for a franchise turnaround should always prioritize finding their QB from which to build around in year 1.Rex was smart in this regard.I understand that it doesn’t always work out & I don’t blame them for taking Williams where they did. I start to find fault year 2.If they really believed Wentz & Goff we’re going to be what they’ve been,they had to get that trade done.Outbid the Eagles & the Rams. Yes Hindsight is 20/20 but this is high stakes..the most important position in sports & one particularly elusive & vital for the franchise. I’ve already spoken my mind on Hack.. I actually would’ve taken Lynch. I thought he was the type of talent you could build an offense around & cater things to.Get him outside the pocket w 2 reads & let him make plays. The jets seem reluctant to build an O around a QB like that or maybe just lack the imagination.That said I thought lynch went to the perfect offense in Denver & it doesn’t look good so I was wrong. By year 3 cmon now..the urgency is extremely high to resolve QB. In my mind the only way we don’t orchestrate a trade, or god forbid reach Alittle to nab one of Watson,Mahomes,Kizer or Trubisky is if Mac doesn’t believe they can play year 1 or simply aren’t any good at all.W the exception of Mahomes who is still a mystery it looks like Mac was very wrong. While this may seem unreasonable..I’m to the point as a fan where finding a QB takes higher priority than any other position or transaction the GM is responsible for. 3 years & still no QB w at least 2 franchise guys slipping by one via Trade & the 2 guys we’ve taken can’t even get snaps as second & third year players behind 38 year old Josh stinking Mccown is just unacceptable
Well said. I'm done with Macc and Bowles completely. I'm a small step away from being done with this rudderless, hapless franchise. I'll probably hold on until the first pick of the 2018 draft and if that doesn't produce a FQB candidate, I'll begin my own search for a new team.
While I agree that finding a FQB should be #1 priority, things don't always work out that way. There have to be QBs worth taking a risk on and if one isn't in position to draft them, one has to find a team willing to trade with you. No GM can force another team to trade with him. I don't think the Bucs, Titans, the Rams or the Eagles had any interest or intention in/of trading their picks. They needed QBs and they took them. The only way Mac deserves any blame in those two years is if he had an opportunity to trade up with one of those teams and passed on it. I can understand criticizing him for not taking Mahomes or Watson in this year's draft. He could have taken one of them. I can understand why he didn't, but that doesn't mean he and his reasoning weren't wrong. It may turn out he was right, however. Hack could still prove to be our FQB, or after an initial flash Watson, becomes just an average QB, and Mahomes might not ever truly adjust to an NFL offense. If one or both prove to be quality NFL QBs and Petty and Hack don't work out, then I think Mac will deserve criticism for missing on taking one of Mahomes and Watson. That still doesn't mean he should be fired, imo. Ozzie Newsome has been a great GM and has added a lot of great talent to the Ravens in spite of missing on Rodgers and Carr and never adding a great QB. Mac could do the same for the Jets.
Mo and Sheldon actually have pretty similar stats, but its always fun when you are contending for a title. Both with a sack and interception btw.
What about taking Saquon with a top 5 pick and then using both 2nds to move back into 1st and get a qb? Seems like a deep qb draft and landing two playmakers could change the franchise.
Ozzie newsome might be my first choice for the Jets if given the choice of anyone league wide..there are 2 reasons why I let him slide for his QB misses 1.Multiple misses at QB taken in rounds 1 & 2 obviously aren’t good but it at least showed high priority given to the position organizationally 2. Despite his misses at QB he managed to both field a highly talented,cohesive & deep roster at nearly every other position while also still accruing enough ammo to continue being aggressive in draft day trades to eventually find his Quarterback I find less fault in first round misses at QB including trades as long as the price paid wasn’t reckless,the player wasn’t a massive reach & the player was at least competent enough to temporarily win the job & get on the field. It’s an extremely important position w a high bust rate. My apathy for Mac is based on his actions which to me project a lack of urgency & priority given to the most obvious detriment to the franchise seemingly forever. I also include Bowles in this Who for all intensive purposes seems to prefer these overachieving graybeards over unproven talent. I’m tired of the team throwing whole seasons away bc their isn’t a perfect QB prospect that “checks all the boxes” sitting there at pick 11 after another 6-10 season.How bout the CS,FO,scouts & ownership of need be come together & figure this disaster out w some conviction & grit
