I always respect your opinion Royal, but I disagree, this is sports and it's our national anthem, have a press conference after the game and complain, have a march or rally and complain
I'd be willing to bet about 5% or less support what that clown is protesting. If these players want to protest or be an activist, do it on their own damn time. No fans want to read this bull shit on the news or see it on TV. The owners should also take a stance on this or remove the anthem altogether because ratings have already dropped 7% and attendance is down as well. I'm sick and tired of turning on sports and hearing about politics.
Gonna join in protest at the game tomorrow. RT, enjoy the game, wear sunblock....and pack your kneepads. . : ) That said, a couple of things: assuming you're not a shrimp, how are you going to find room to kneel down between the seat rows? and while you're "down there" kneeling-in-protest, don't think a lot of those standing around you (full of fermenting tailgate hotdogs, chili and beer) won't think twice about "crop dusting" your #BLM face. Be careful, keep your wits about you....and hold your breath.
Ding ding ding we have a snowflake here! That's clearly a fake photoshopped picture. You'll believe anything the liberal news media feeds you.
Basically every owner other than our own - including Kraft! - has condemmed Trump's statements. Even Goodell put out something semi-forceful (for him).
Does your job play the national anthem before you perform? If not why does the NFL/MLB other leagues play the anthem before a game starts. Here in the UK at sports games the national anthem is only played at national finals or when teams compete in international matches or tournaments. When attending such contests in the UK I do not stand as this is my right. When abroad or in the States I stand as a courtesy as I am a guest. I would not take a job which required me to respect a national anthem. I see the decision to stand, kneel whatever in the context of the US as 1st amendment rights so protest should be allowed without politicians or anyone else demanding that an employee be fired for maintaining first amendment rights.
First amendment rights allow you be free from prosecution from the the government, or free from the government making laws which restrict your speech. Employers are not the government, they are free to fire at will. And those that criticize those that make comments, in their own realm, enjoy the same rights. A politician expressing an opinion, and not trying to make a law out of it, is no infringement of 1st Amendment rights. But that's what everyone falls back on when they get criticized for criticizing someone else's opinion.
Lmao triggered as fuck. Feel free to continue to suck on Donalds cock. Personally I don't watch CNN to begin with, or Fox so don't assume shit.
Yeah you can continue to make up #s but that # is expotentially increasing. You see how many people protested today during the Ravens game? If you don't want to see it, turn it the fuck off! The owners were protesting too! Ps don't call him a clown, you low key support him.
Thanks for clarifying my lack of understanding. However is it written into players or any other employment type contract that a contractee must stand for an anthem or be involved in patritotic or other expression of loyalty/support of an imposed norm? If it is then yes you can be fired but if not then no. As for a politician stating people should be fired for not standing then that to my mind is an individual seeking to impose a practice which they have no control over. Perhaps the President should have said he does not agree with the actions of those who kneel and leave it at that. To my mind as a law maker he is looking to interfere in the livelihood of people he does not agree with. I continue to be at a loss as to why playing the national anthem at a sporting contest is necessary. I've always viewed wrapping up any activity in a flag/music as sentimental and unneccesary
Nothing has to be written in as contracts aren't fully guaranteed. A team can do whatever they want so long as they are willing to eat whatever financial costs it incurs them. As much as NFL owners are expressing disappointment at the Presidents statement, I don't see any of them signing Kaepernick. That would be the ultimate expression of disappointment. Other than that it's just lip service meant to appease, which they are free to express.
I guess I will have to stoop to your vulgarity level by saying they should be protesting Barack Fucking Obama also? He was President also when Police Brutality was under protest. I hope for your sake you never need any help from the police because you surely don't deserve it. You simply don't get that in most cases the police were justified in their use of force. Are there cases of Police Brutality? Yes but groups like Black Lives Matters and you have taken this issue and made it a racial issue. How convenient and intellectually dishonest! What also disgusts me are people like you that pull out the race card when someone disagrees with you. While I am at it, your use of the word "fuck" illustrates how your feeble mind uses vulgarity to express yourself forcefully just like you pull out the race card. You better get another race card, I think yours is getting faded with all its use!
God Damn Nibiru aka Planet X should have just ended all this drama on Saturday. Wouldn't have to deal with all this nonsense..... and yes I called it nonsense.... With issues like those we as a country are facing I think back to some of the only good piece of advice I got in high school.... You can do whatever you want in the world as long as you are willing to suffer the consequences...... So with that in mind... let those who want to protest do it. If you don't want to protest don't. If the issue is that important don't watch the NFL if you don't want too...... I think America is great, but sure, it could be a lot better. Would I protest what these people are protesting? No, but I don't think they would protest some of the things I feel strongly about either...to each their own.... I think Trump is an Idiot but he's allowed to be one... that's what is great about the United States... Do I think Kapernick is better then some of the bottom tier QB's in the league? Sure.. Am I signing the game checks? Nope. My question is why aren't any of these owners that are standing in solidarity with the players handing him a Vet minimum check to sit on the end of their bench? I don't agree with Woodys politics AT ALL but I don't hate him for it. I dislike him because he has the football team I root for in disarray. Am I willing to give my fandom up for an owners politics? Nope! Just like I'm not giving up my fandom for some of the players politics...I can't devote enough time to figure out what side of this argument I'm supposed to be on so I'm just going to sit this one out.... lol Btw I am a season ticket holder for 23 years but I'm not going to the game today because I have a horrendous cold and feel like shit...but maybe my empty seat will "send a message" to someone. Not sure what that message or who that someone is but........ Sorry for the rambling.... I have a fever, am hopped up on cough syrup and took the Ravens in my office Knock Out Pool.... Thanks for listening.. Let's Go Jets
The purpose of a protest is get attention and influence change. You can't influence change if you piss people off who then simply oppose you. There are plenty of ways to protest to get attention and influence change, but not standing for the anthem isn't one. It simply appeals to people already on your side and galvanizes your opponents against you. That's the opppsite purpose of a protest. Kneeling at the anthem isn't about the protest, it's simply about being contrary and combative to your opponents who you know value standing for it. It takes a lack of honesty, or abundance of ignorance, to think doing so will influence change where it needs to come from -- the people who you are trying to get to change. It's typical echo chamber ideology.
The bottom line is the players have every right to protest, the owners have every right to support or fire those players for whatever is at the center of their protest, and the fans have the same right to turn on or turn off the games and buy merchandise (or not). As to whether the NFL is right to allow such a protest? That will be decided by the NFL's ultimate and paramount concern - $$$$$$. Personally, I wouldn't let a player on my team kneel for the National Anthem anymore than I would allow a player to wave a pro-Trump, pro-Hillary, Pro-Life, or Pro-Choice, etc., placard on the sideline. Why? Not because I don't sympathize with one side or the other, but because it is bad business to offend 40% of the customers on each side of the issue (figuring the 20% in between care less one way or another). The NFL, owners, and fans will come to some sort of equilibrium on this. As much as folks should try to understand what the players that kneel are doing, just as much consideration should be afforded as to why it pisses people off.
Already talked about this in the other thread. Not doing it again. But continue to play that tone. Stay triggered! Oh look the Steelers ENTIRE organization is protesting.
