i took the op as more of an indictment of the media's, "zomg! the jets cut so many good players! jets, gonna jet" narrative than as praise for mac ... mac simply did what any semi-competent gm would do
Lee is not being used correctly. That's all on Blowes. Whose fault he was drafted depends upon who wanted him. If Mac wanted him and Blowes didn't, then that's on Mac. If Blowes wanted him, thinking he could teach him how to cover, and Mac was trying to give Blowes what he wanted, then it's on Blowes. If they both really liked him, it's on both. We know that Bowles is stubborn, plays players out of position (Richardson at OLB), and has a host of flaws. We don't know what has gone on behind the scenes, what Woody has told them he wants, how much power Blowes has had, etc. All we know is that there is a screwed up org chart and that Woody is a meddling doofus. Mac may not keep his job after this season. If not, so be it. He may not deserve to, but I think he has done a lot of good things for this team that many posters are ignoring or taking for granted. They're all too ready to criticize, but refuse to give him credit or kudos for the good things he has done. He gave us an exciting season in 2015, has the cap in awesome shape, and has some very good young talent on this team.
None of those players needed to stay. They are not the future. It would have been helpful to the young QBs and WRs to keep Decker, but if Tennessee hasn't found a way to involve him more, then there's a reason. Perhaps following his surgeries, Decker isn't the same player he was. I thought it might have been helpful to keep Harris to continue help mentoring the young LBs, because he is a solid tackler, and I wanted to see him retire a Jet. Harris is painfully slow and has a very limited range. I can totally understand why the Jets were ready to move on, but they should have had a better replacement on hand first. If those players had been lighting it up with their new teams, would you have thought/felt the same way (that it's too early and that we needed to see the whole season)? I doubt it. Most of you guys look for things to criticize Mac about and are all too ready to jump on anything he does that looks like it might not work out, yet you don't want to give him the benefit of the doubt and give him the same treatment in a positive fashion. Most of you are biased and blind to what he has done right.
yeah it's a new o-line so they need time to gel. week 2 was much better then week 1, kearse is a great addition, adams and maye look great, claiborne is playing great as well hopefully he stays healthy. he's always been good he's just injury prone. chandler is perfect so far and has a big leg not much more you can want. McCown has heart and is playing his ass off. I thought we kept harrison, guess i missed that one. just looked and he's not on a team so i guess he was a miss. still missing on a 5th rounder isn't bad. even the best GMs get 2-3 good players per draft. nobody gets all 7 right. for simon he played well when in there we have a lot of depth at dline i'm sure he'll be on a roster somewhere if not ours soon. Moulden got hurt, can't blame it on him. he did show flashes as a pass rusher when he was in the game. I wouldn't worry about williams personally rodgers needs to call a better game on defense
Harris definitely should have stayed--we have zero linebackers right now and Decker absolutely should have stayed to help out a young qb and mentor the kids, then again Bowels has no intention of starting the young abs so that probably did not matter
he's played 3 snaps in NE. even when hightower went down harris didn't play. I don't think we are missing much
I actually liked Kearse and a 2nd rounder for RIchardson, and said so at the time. I give Macc credit for that, as well as for cutting and structuring contracts so that there's no long term cash drain. I do have mixed feelings about him, and have never said he's terrible. That said, when you objectively look at where the Jets are, you have to say that after three years of him being in charge, they're a mess, and that's not just because obviously they've cut a lot of vets for the rebuild, but what do they have to really build on? A DL, two Safeties, and that's about it. There are some potential starters, like McGuire, Kearse, ASJ, but aside from that the cupboard is bare. I give Macc credit for taking a sharp knife to the roster, and I recognize that he's been faced with some very difficult constraints and choices, and that maybe no one could've done a better job. Still, he did pick Hack with his 2nd pick, and while you can argue that he thought Fitz would be able to hold the fort until Hack was ready, if that's true then he isn't really a good judge of talent. He also took TWO Safeties when there were so many other holes to fill, and Safety is NOT a position you build a team around IMO. He's ignored offense in general, and specifically the OL and skill positions.. If I added it all up on the "scale of justice" I would see it tilting to the negative side more than the positive side. I'm worried that giving him another draft will only allow him to screw things up more, It's POSSIBLE that he could finally turn the corner, taking Rosen or Darnold, getting those OL linchpins, and a stud RB and/or pass rusher, and I would then say he did a great job. But it's also possible that he goes BPA and takes Derwin James because everyone knows you can't have too many Safeties. If someone like Dorsey were available, I would love to see him come on board, and maybe as Pres. of Football Ops, overseeing Macc, Or if he replaced Macc as GM I would agree with that too. If no one like Dorsey - someone mentioned Eric DeCosta - or Paul Holmgren were avaialble, I'd hold my breath and give Macc this draft and FA period. Sorry for the long explanation, but like NC, I'm conflicted - although more willing to cut ties with Macc than he is I think.
Tell me what you think about Scott Pioli. P.S. If you still haven't got it: Pioli looked damn good when Belichick was coaching Patriots with him. He looked like an UTTER SHIT with Chiefs - that's the Crennel days. Now he's the Asst. GM with the Falcons. Get the idea? Bad HCs will always make ANY GM look like utter shit. ALL THE TIME. P.S. 2. That said, you still did not provide what more Mac should have done or could have done in this off-season. Look. Everybody wants stout OL, dazzling playmakers, relentless passrush and suffocating coverages. Talking about [these] is not a good practice in reality. It's not like there is a team that would go on fire sale just so Jets can take their core players either. All right?
IDK i'd say the scale is even. I do agree on your critisms. I really wanted an offense havey draft and our top 2 picks were safeties but on the positive side he unloaded pryor and brought back davis grabbed ASJ off waivers Grabbed Ealy off waivers Traded Richardson for a 2nd and kearse and kearse right now is our best WR found anderson as an UDFA drafted williams, adams, and maye possible found some late round burris, contributers in jenkins, moulden, maguire, and who knows who else will emerge in one year our secondary has vastly improved with adams, maye burris, and claiborne. all moves from mac. and alla re young enough to contribute for years he also took over a team idzik gutted and was stuck with 12 shitty picks idzik made, which are all gone off the team already. he COULD have been faced with the pressure of win now and if that's the case he did field a 10-6 team that season based on his signings and trades (marshall, decker, revis, fitz, etc) now we are in the best position we've been in for a long time as far as building a team from the ground up. 2018 is a great QB draft class, we have a ton of cap room, and we get to evaluate some young players. enunwa will be back next year as will moulden. we can draft a QB and some play makers. sign some young free agents and maybe by 2019 be a competing team if mac makes good moves. I'd say right now he is in the 50/50 place on the scale and the 2018 offseason will be make or break but we won't know how good it is until 2019 or 2020
Pioli might be a good choice. He has the resume and experience, so I'd be okay with him. I understand that given the Jets image the better/best FAs weren't going to come here unless they were overpaid and that would've been stupid, so I give Macc credit for that. Still, I find it hard to believe he couldn't have found upgrades for the OL, LBs and WRs, or looked to draft those spots. I still maintain that ON BALANCE his record is less than successful over a three year period, and I'm very wary of giving him more time on that basis if there is someone better available.
I can see you POV, and really can't blow holes in it. But it's still heavily based on unprovens. These may well pan out and he's seen as a great GM, or they may not and he's seen as a bust. Because of this I wouldn't say "Fire him now". BUT, if someone better becomes available, then firing seems like a strong possibility. My preference at this point would be to hire a Pres. of Football Ops who knows how to build a team and let him oversee Macc if he's retained, or hire someone he thinks is better.
true but with unprovens you can't really tilt it either way until they prove to be good or bad. it's more of too early to tell. rome wasn't built in a day. the way i see it in 2018 we can land a playmaking WR (maybe even grab cobb and a draft pick) a franchise QB in the draft, and improve the o-line which didn't look that bad last week. I think at RB we are ok for now with powell and maguire. forte will be gone. we cna free agent shop. maybe get an OLB and ILB and another CB. kearse, anderson, and enunwa will be here. hansen and stewart could contribute. 2018 isn't looking too bad at all and that's really all we can ask for at this point.
Have you watched our LBs ? Im not being sarcastic just stating a fact , I don't care how many snaps he's played for NE he is missed in a big way here and he would play every snap over this cast of characters we have . ps not only would he play but he would be a tackling machine against the run,,,,,,,if you want to say he can't play the pass and cover I will give that to you but have you seen Demario Davis or Lee in coverage ? Harris is missed big time
We need to build it slowly and add pieces only when it makes sense from a football standpoint and the price is right. I am not opposed to signing veterans as stop gaps, but we need to be able to draft a core on both sides of the ball. Honestly it only seems like we have Williams, Adams, and possibly Maye as guys who will anchor this team for years to come. Hopefully we get a QB and one more impact player (hoping for a great left tackle). The rest can be picked up at the right price.
You realize 2 of the 3 guys you're banking on are rookies who have 4 combined NFL starts? On a Jets team that's notorious for draft busts?
Yeah well the safeties are graded as very good football players by nearly every scout in the draft. I certainly like them more than Pyror/Gilchrist.
So how do you use Darron Lee if not at inside linebacker? I agree he's a better fit for the 4-3. But he was drafted to play in this defense. And not only does he look awful he looks absolutely lost. He's playing flat footed and letting the guards get to him before he's even taking a step. He should show more promise at this point.
Agreed. Regardless of how much he's playing in New England he would be starting here and playing better than Davis and Lee. He doesn't have sideline to sideline speed anymore but he would not be allowing us to get absolutely gashed in both A gaps and the B gap to the strong side.
Looks like the words just whizzed you by. Pioli will not look much better than Maccagnan, if Toilet Bowles remains as the HC. Not just Pioli, but any GM will look horrible with Bowles.
I'm assuming that Bowels is gone...I thought that was understood. If he isn't, then I'm probably gone.
