Do you really want Ramsey or Clemens QB'ing this team instead? Seriously, Chad gives us the best opportunity. Were only 5-5 and i doubt Ramsey or Clemens couldve done that. Ramsey blows and is a career backup and dont bring up Damon Huard or Tony Romo, because those guys never had an opportunity before. Ramsey has been a starter, weve seen him play and hes nothing special. Clemens is a rookie and simply put, hes gonna play like a rookie. We've gotten through the harder part of our schedule, have a little faith.
Thank you! Finally a thread with some sense in it. We have (statistically) the easiest part of our schedule, as compared to the rest of the league. I'm very anxious to see what will unfold with Pennington and the coaching staff. I still have a lot of faith in this team and hopefully we can start looking at a wildcard spot by stringing some good wins in a row.
The reason to start Clemens isn't to win now, but rather so that he's ready to take over the team next year. I think Chad has proven enough times by now that he can't be relied on to win games, and that he is more likely than not even going to show up against the better teams. Every QB has bad games, but they usually balance that out with at least a few great games here and there. But when is the last time Chad had a 300+ 3 TD game? I don't think he has very many in his entire career, and the only times I can really remember him throwing for more than 300 yards are the first 2 games of the season. Other QBs will do that virtually every week. Even Losman managed a 300+ game, and Harrington is even putting up some decent stats. You start Clemens now to get that potential next year. I really don't see where we're going to go with Pennington anyway, he gives us the best chance to beat a few weaker teams this year, and then maybe luck into the playoffs to lose probably the first game. I'm not sure if that's worth screwing over the 2007 season for. Clemens might not be a rookie next year, but he'll still make rookie mistakes in all likelihood next year, especially the first few games. Why not make those mistakes this year, and then if he's the QB of the future, start next year playing well right out of the gate?
Yes, I want Clemens QB'ing this team instead. I don't understand why the Chad apologists keep bringing up Ramsey's name as I haven't seen even a single post suggesting that he should be the Jets QB. Most likely it's because they know he sucks and it's easier to refute the fact that he should be starting, even though no one thinks he should. Classic strawman. And of course Clemens is a rookie so he automatically sucks by default. Way to make an argument, chief. You've really given me a TON to think about.
I can understand that if we were 1-9, but were 5-5 with the easiest part of our schedule ahead of us. In 4 of the 5 losses(3 of which were against the best teams in the nfl), we were in it to the end. We had one blowout. And in regards to Clemens, he can learn watching from the bench. Rivers, Romo, Pennington, etc, rode the bench for the 1st few years and then when they started they faired well. I just feel if we put in Clemen were basically giving up on our season. If you told me in the pre season that we would be 5-5 after 10 games with 6 winnable games left in the season, i would've laughed at you. Take it one game at a time.
But there is no guarantee that it's giving up the season though. Ben Roethlisberger seemed to do fine. I think Eli did okay as well. But more importantly, I think the gains you get in your second year are worth it. In anything you do in life, you will always learn more by doing than by studying or watching it happen. Starting Chad is like giving up games too though. You know that he's probably going to lose against the good teams, and the playoffs are going to be just good teams anyway, so what's the point? You also know he'll have clunkers against bad teams too. I really don't think we'll do better than 9-7 even with the soft schedule. Is losing 2 more games really that big of a deal? 9-7 probably doesn't make the playoffs anyway, so really, what's the point of caring so much about those 2 games this season, when next season it could be 5 extra wins?
Who'se to say we won't play better with KC? I don't understand all these Chad fans assuming that if KC plays, we automatically lose out. Penny's play hasn't been spectacular and I doubt there would be much of a drop off (if it all) if we brought in KC.
I wont agree with you saying that Jax is one of the best teams in the nfl. They are looking at the same wilcard spot as us mate
I see your point but I think Eli is a terrible example. I wouldn't consider his rookie year "okay" and I still don't think he's that good.
Theres no way in hell i wanna see clemens in there. Not only will he probly blow any shot we have this year, but it might screw him up big time. NY is not an easy place to play. The NY media can ruin that kids confidence in 3 days. Not to mention the same people on this board who wanted him to start will be calling for clemens head. I can see it now, after the first game he plays and throws 3 ints there would be threads out the ass.."Clemens is a bum, lets trade our draft picks and get Quinn". Yea clemens might come out and win the last 6 games, but what are the chances of that, like 5%. I dont know why you people think throwing the kid into the fire is gonna get him ready. Him observing from the bench and learning the playbook is very valuable.
were 5-5. there is no way in hell at this point with this part of the schedule that they are going to take out the qb that gives us the best chance to win unless he is hurt. So,unless you have never watched a complete football season before,you know this and it's not a point even worth bringing up.
Right now I'd rather go 5-11 with Clemens and No Playoffs, than 11-5 with Chad w/Playoffs. Because Chad will never win that big game. Clemens is the future, now is the time to switch. Give Clemens the ball for the last 6 games. He'll need all the experience he can get.
The entire "rookies suck" argument hinges on the fact that most teams that play a rookie at QB are in fact terrible teams hence it's hard for the guy to look good with almost no talent around him. To be honest that's the situation I thought the Jets were going to be in this year. The pass blocking has improved to the point that Pennington was barely touched yesterday and while the running game probably still doesn't have the consistency you'd like to see it's not as dire as it looked initially either. Likewise Coles resurgance and the emergence of Cotchery gives the Jets 2 pretty darn good threats at WR. I think Roethlisberger is a great example of what a rookie can do with smart gameplanning and good talent surrounding him his first year. The point we've reached now both with Chad's extremely poor play and the generally good play of the rest of the offensive unit I believe now is the time you can put Clemens in there without worrying about "will we ruin him?" "will he get killed back there?" etc.
I think the regime will focus on trying to win every game this year, and Chad gives us the best chance to win game THIS year. But he's clearly a below average quarterback. I think if/when we are eliminated from the playoffs, Clemens should play every game. Chad's numbers prove he's a below average quarterback: QB Rating: 76.8%, 22nd in the league Yards: 18th in the league TDs: 16th in the league INTs: 28th in the league Yards per Attempt: 20th in the league Completion Percentage: 14th in the league YUCK!
Well said Chad's time as our "savior" has passed. Two more losses in 06' and Mangini should be playing Clemens exclusively. Chad will not win against the better competition on a consistent basis.
Are you serious? You'd rather see our potential QB and look at 2007 than possibly make the playoffs? What is that!?
The only saving grace here is the remainder of our schedule is weak. The way I look at it any Quarter back can make the throws that Chad is making right now. Including Clemmens and Ramsey!
It bears the real question: Are we trying to win now, or building for the future? Sure we try to win every game, but the reality is, that Chad will never be able to lead us to the Championship. Face the fact he doesn't have the arm to do it. In order for us to win against a really good team with Chad, we need to play a PERFECT GAME. Even if we play indoors we would have to win 2 or 3 playoff games and a Super Bowl - with perfect execution - and that is the issue. I guess we have to wait for Clemens - and try to win now - to gain confidence for next year - but the reality is Clemens, or someone else, will have to replace Chad if the Jets expect to compete for a Championship. gg
