To me it's not that amazing. He coached a great game last week, and he coached an awful game today--pretty open and shut.
That's what Urlacher does on many obvious passing plays, he spies the QB from the center of his zone, because he's fast enough to get to any area of his zone when a QB like Chad is throwing the ball. Just because he was watching Chad's eyes doesn't mean it was a staredown.
My feeling isn't so much in Mangini, if we get the onside kick we all sit here and say great call. I do question the timing but still if it works we love it. This game lies sqaurly on the shoulders of one Chad Pennington. Slice it dice it anyway you want if Pennington plays half of as good as he should be in this game at this point of his career we win the game toay, and if Pennington doesn't toss an INT in the endzone I don't think we kick the onside up 7-0. Mangini knew this may be our only chance in the 2nd half.
I agree it's open and shut. Which is why I don't understand where the doubt in the CS comes in. The only person I'm questioning is Chad, because he has once again proven that he isn't a big time QB.
I'm giving the CS and Chad a mulligan on this game and will go to sleep with a clear conscience, I am not about to replay "Nightmare on Herm Street" over and over because I hate reruns and this new movie is still being written and it's going to have a good ending sometime in the future... Sorry for the interruption, you may now resume the normal program:beer:
Glad someone said this before me. The INT on the 40 (or around there) was due to the DE getting in FAST (D'brickashaw couldn't pick him up in time) and forcing the throw. It's silly to say that he should have thrown it away, in hindsight. Of course he should've - and a whole lot of other QBs wish they had passes back today too. The Bears D was really on today. Did anyone notice how disciplined they were? The DE grabbing Leon Johnson on that misdirection run? The tackling throughout the whole game? Keep blaming Chad if you want, but your'e missing a whole lot of what's going on on the field if you think Chad being imperfect lost the game for the Jets..
The Jets ran all over the Bears in the first half. The Jets D dominated the Bears in the first half. The Jets OL dominated the Bears in the first half and played solid in the second half. Pennington had time to throw all day. He wasn't accurate on short passes or mid range passes, he didn't attempt 1 deep shot down the field and he bailed out all day long. He played scared all day and killed the team. You can't run the ball all game when you're QB is throwing 4 yard passes all game. You keep saying the Jets can't stop the run or run, today they did both more than adequately. The fact is as the Jets D is getting better and their running game is getting better and the OL is getting better Chad is getting worse. He is now going to be rated in the bottom tier of NFL QB's and he richly deserves it. Joey Harrington beat the Bears with a worse game plan and a worse football team than Pennington has around him on the road. Pennington is starting to look like Vinny without the arm.
How did he not go for it on 4th and 12? How did he not go for it on 4th and 12? Pathetic. Horribile offensive play calling
Did anybody happen to notice 2 other teams got shut out today, and both against worse defenses than the #1 defense we faced? Just asking... Sure, I wanted to throw the ball deep and take chances late in the game instead of the dumpoffs. There was nothing to lose by trying, everything to lose by not. So I question the play calling late, but not the abilities of the players. And seeing as how the team we faced today is the best we face for the rest of the season (And will beat the Patriots next week, keeping things even) I see nothing but light ahead. Once we have run the table in the next 6 weeks, this will be just a dim memory. As long as the team learns from this loss (and they will) we stand a much better chance of beating a very good team or two in the playoffs. No Superbowl this season, we're a few players away from that now, but we will win the division. This year, and the next.
Remember this about the 'New Regime": they have to live with a lot of the mistakes made by the Old Regime. They are top-heavy when it comes to salary. You just can't cut guys without being bound by contractual obligations. Restructuring player's salaries to stay under the cap. That stuff. You look on the field and you wonder if the Jets' should have Leinart instead of Chad right now. Maybe. I wonder, too. The thing is, they would need to build an offense around him. But you can't just add and cut players like in Major League Baseball. This offense was built for Pennington. They couldn't change the player personnel quickly, even if they wanted to. They would owe a lot of money to players who are not on the roster. Look, Penny had a bad day. So did Mangini. I was hoping for a win, but did I expect one? No. If you cheer the new regime after a win, you can't kill them after a loss.
You are not saying hang the guy, just have him stretch from the gallows a little. Yeah I get it. As far as his two mistakes.........................again once again we agree to disagree. Again today did nothing absolutely nothing to change the game. Yes call me ludicrous because I could not disagree with you more. The 4th. down call against Indianapolis was absolutely the right call. LOL yes punt it and let Payton Manning chop the defense up a little more. Once again he makes it he is a genius he doesn't we have to endure lets lynch him just a little threads. Also, they had a solid game plan and had every opportunity to win against what................. arguably the 2nd. best team in the league but because they lost the coaching staff sucks when only last week they were the kings. Talk about unreasonable.
Good post, but I wanted to address this one sentence. I was all for the drafting of the lineman and they have panned out so far. I don't know what the Jets will do with the QB position. I was hoping Pennington would retire before this season. That didn't happen. So then I thought no way he would last the season without getting injured or benched. Amazingly, he's made it through 10 games. I really don't think he's the long-term answer and the coaching staff may go a different direction during the offseason. I'm not sure Kellen Clemens is the answer, either. I'm all for the drafting of JaMarcus Russell.
Winston, I will say this: I don't believe Chad will be the starter here next season. I have seen and continue to see this as the year in which the foundation gets layed for the future. I believe we will have a new RB next season, and continue to believe that despite Washington/Houston emerging. I believe we will have at least one new guard and tackle next season, and one or two more recievers. But most of all, I believe that Clemens will be the starter. The coaches do the best with what they have for this season, but make no mistakes, this is a work in progress and far from being the finished product. Clemens was drafted with this in mind; not to be groomed as a career backup, but to be the future starter.
Yeah because he was under pressure within 2 seconds. There was no time to look off the defender or checkdown. This isn't rocket science.
Your post is a little different to read, but if you are saying what I think you are (that Mangini did nothing to change the game) than I have no answer for you. If you honestly don't believe that giving the Bears the ball on the NYJ 44 yard line to start the second half didn't impact anything, than I don't know what to say. It was a 4th and goal. We should've kicked the field goal because we needed points at every opportunity (and notice how ironically we lost by 3 points.) Don't put words in my mouth. Like I said, I have no issue with the coaching staff's preparation for this game, but they managed it poorly. Combined with an awful performance from the QB, we never had a chance.
We lost because of Pennington, I can agree on that. I do not agree about the coaching staff's poor "game" management. I think they put this team in postion to win. I am also of the ilk that if you lose by being aggressive then so be it. He took a chance with ST's and lost. I think it was a reasonable chance. If it worked this thread does not exist but it didn't and we are stuck with it. As far as the going for it instead of the field goal. I misspoke when I said it was a punt. If we take the field goal our defense still was not stopping Payton Manning anytime soon. He was lighting the defense up that game. I think it was a sound educated risk that he took. In fact, I would go so far as to say the direct opposite of you and say that was superb "game" management. He realized that Payton Manning made our defense look like the Iraq army and made the decision to put more points on the board. Afterall, their defense sucks ass and I think will cause them to lose in the playoffs and or SB. I can also point to some other players that had ample opportunity to make huge plays and really let us down. How about L. Washington's inability to break a tackle today. He could have made two gigantic plays had he avoided a tackle. One in particular he was off to the races. I guess that is another thread however.
Just to clarify what my intention was here, I don't think anyone is saying "Mangini must go!". I had a real hard time reconciling some of his decisions today, and about the only thing that makes sense is that he has such little confidence in his QB that he thought it necessary to make moves like he did to have a shot to win. Which is why I said that if Chad gets the hook I'm willing to give a pass on the questionable moves we saw yesterday. If Chad stays the QB and we see more of the same down the stretch then you've got to begin to wonder exactly why they are sticking with him when they've obviously got no confidence in him.
He dropped back and didn't take his head away from Baker, he wasn't rushed bad and had decent time. That was a horrible mistake for a guy who is great in the red-zone, staring down his target. I'm not going to mention the possible Coles' wide open scenario, just Chad staring down Baker from the snap of the ball. I'll probably buy the hindsight he should of thrown it away, ok fine. But Alex Brown hawking him down is no excuse to throw that pass off your backfoot pedaling to your right, to throw it across the field to your left. I'm sorry, he's a very good decision maker, but both of his INTs were horrible decisions. When has Chad ever been fluhsed to his right, then running back, then throw off his backfoot across the field?
My reading of it, for whatever it's worth, is that Mangini feels that the "learning how to win" aspect of this season is worth keeping Pennington in at QB, even though he doesn't believe that he is the long-term answer (it would be hard to believe that Clemens could win a real game at this point). I expect to see Pennington in there at least until the team has lost two more games. I would like to see Clemens if and when that happens. I will certainly be VERY disappointed if Clemens is not the presumed starter in 2007 (that is, no "open competition" - he's the guy unless he blows it in the preseason). There has been nothing in the last 8 games to suggest that Pennington is the long-term answer at QB for this team.
If not Clemens, then hopefully this guy. He's better than the guy who plays home games in South Bend. He's better than the guy who started the season for the Miami Dolphins. More mentally tough. He's got one of the strongest arms you'll ever see. For the Jets to get him he would have to A) forgo his senior year, B) the Jets would have to be in position to draft him or trade up to get in position to draft him and C) the Jets would obviously have to want the player.
