A History Lesson - Hope you've had breakfast...

When you lose consistently like the Jets are projected to, keeping the locker room positive is going to be the hardest thing to do from a coaching stand point. Guys are going to be busting their butt every day in practice and have little to show for it on Sunday. Many of these players have to know that their days as a Jet are numbered once the FO starts to "rebuild" the roster, so keeping this team focused is going to be very difficult. If Bowles can do that, he'll have earned another year in my mind. However, I'm with you. Don't think this rebuild strategy is a sure thing. I hope it is, but history tells me to be very skeptical.

 

Bit of a captain obvious article. I bet Richie had that one written for a few months now and just sent it in to meet a deadline. I will say this though, for as hated as mangini was, he had this team on the right track and woody was way to fast on the trigger with him. And I say that admitting I was calling for his head too.

 

possibly.... but considering 2008 was an example of the all-time shittiest gameplanning / play calling I've ever seen in my life, followed up by his Cleveland debacle kinda shows why

As far as the article.... I agree with the "captain obvious", and the Tebow mention at the beginning was just reaching for low hanging (and spoiled) fruit

 

We have enough evidence to know schotty was the bigger problem. And favres arm falling off. The guy had an eye for talent though. At the very least I think we would be in a better place roster wise if he stuck for a couple more years.

 

Well yeah, he sucked balls and even Favre essentially called him out, but the bottom line is the HC should devise the gameplan and coordinators follow through...... throwing 50 passes against teams with zero run defense and great corners was idiotic.

Or having your injured QB chucking downfield in the snow / wind against a team with most of their starting front 7 injured, when you have a stacked O-line, Thomas Jones, and Leon

I'm done with this thread...... thinking of all the sundays I spent screaming at the tv that season is a bad way to start the day

 

lol at 'Mangini having us on right track'
He couldn't reach the playoffs with a HOF QB and a top talent defensive unit which grossly under performed.
and for good measure, the team routinely quit on him and never bought into the bullshit he was selling as a coach.

Firing him was the correct move.
he someone managed to get even worse in Cleveland, offered little in SF, and now is rightfully out of the league.

All that said, F Cimini.
this is another lazy team bashing smug typical Cimini click bait article. I don't have to read it to know that.

 

You can laugh but there hasn't been much talent coming though the doors since he left. And it's not like we weren't a lock for the playoffs before favres arm got hurt. I won't try to project what would have happened if he stayed other than to say the drafts would probably have been better. ( I know, they couldn't have been worse)

 

This is a pretty spot on article about how the Jets have turned into a perennial garbage team. The problems really start from Mangini's firing. Once he left and you paired Tannenbaum with Rex, bad drafts started to happen. In a knee jerk reaction, Woody fired Mangini who not only made the jets disciplined, but also knew what good players looked like and most deff had a say in who the Jets drafted.

Our championship runs were in large part built upon the core assembled with Mangini, and once the horrible drafts started mounting, so did the horrible seasons. The jets have had a very very hard time accumulating legitimate contributors from rounds 1-4 which is the bread and butter for all teams. Getting contributors in the later rounds would be a bonus but Tanny, Idzik and Macc, have not shown the ability to consistently draft impact players.

As much as Rex sucked in many aspects of being a HC, there is one thing he was a master at and that was creating an identity for the Jets. In the 2 seasons we went to the AFC game, Jets had created a persona of "punch you in the mouth and kick your ass on the field" kind of team. An identity is something the Jets have not had in quite some time. A lot of that stems from winning, but there is something to be said for a HC who isn't scared to talk out sometimes.

Whether this is a mix between not drafting well, bad coaching, or both, the results are the same - a team with minimal talent, and an endless question at quarterback. Jets will be very very hard to watch this year if the preseason is an indicator but sucking this year may very well mean we get a shot at drafting a fantastic QB prospect. This will have to also assume that both Macc and Bowles are let go. Regardless, this team can set itself up to be good if they get the proper football people in and actually find someone who can create an offensive system that best suits the strengths of the QB and the pieces around said QB.

 

I think that's a hyperbolic statement. Game planning and play calling was not what derailed us in 08. Favre worrying more about his consecutive games played record than this team is what did. Favre knew he was not coming back so he didn't give a fuck. We were just a piss stop on his way to Minnesota, not his first, second or even third choice. Mangini is at fault for allowing Favre and his injured arm to sabotage the end of the season. Favre was a first ballot HOFer and older so part of me understands why he was intimated but it cost him his job.

 

so you are crediting the coach for the GM's job, while discounting the 2008 draft of Gholston and Keller?
They also jettisoned Pennington who won the division for Miami that same year.

there were good and bad personnel moves made, but ultimately the coach's job is to motivate the team and win on Sunday's, and that is where Mangini lacked..
When he went to Cleveland he immediately painted over Jim Brown murals and all the team's history.....never really learned a thing about motivating, and his bad Belichick impersonation didn't do him any favors.

In terms of coaching he was one of our worst.

 

Dunno 2006 was one hell of a coaching job. That roster was not very good and he managed to get 10 wins and make the playoffs. Reality hit in 07 when Chad got hurt and the schedule got tougher. 08 we were one of the best teams in the league before Favre hurt his arm and started shaving points.

 

There's a lot of truth in the article with one glaring exception...that Bowles is a disciplinarian. I about fell out of my chair laughing when I read that. Cimini still deserves to be called Ciminidiot.

 

Junc?

 

I do agree that he did a great job in 2006....... unfortunately all downhill from there

 

It's pretty easy to give mangini a lot of credit for the drafts when Tanny was the common denominator and we saw what his and Rex drafts looked liked. Not sure how someone can argue against that.
Re: gholston, sometimes the pick doesn't work out. But leading into the draft he was the consensus pick 6 in what was a 5 player draft. The mangini/Tanny track record was good enough to forgive that.
Keller wasn't a bust. Had some issues but had a nice year with favre who loved his type of tight ends.
I'll agree tha mangini had an off putting personality and it did him no favors.

 

I disagree, westie. All of these young guys have a golden opportunity to be a part of this team as it rebuilds and gets better. If they don't play well, it's on them, unless Bowles' game plan or his coaches don't put them in a position to succeed at least individually, if not corporately. Even then they can hustle, play hard, and try to show their ability to the GM and whomever their next HC will be. They should know better than we that they have a ton of talent on the defensive side of the ball, and little on the offensive side. They should know that McCown is a known quantity (mediocre or worse), that Hack isn't ready to play, and that Petty hasn't had a lot of chances or help from the team, and may not have what it takes anyway.

They know that Bowles' handling of the QBs has been stupid. If Bowles inability to get the team prepared, poor game and clock management, and overly conservative style of play continue, then I think many, if not most of the players on the roster will tune him out entirely and not listen to him.

IMO there are only 2 ways that Bowles should keep his job. One, Morton and Bates prove to be great hires, either Petty or Hack develop and prove to be the Jets FQB this season; or two, Bowles demonstrates that he has the team prepared to play each and every week, they play hard and smart, young players develop, and his game and clock management improve markedly. Anything other than that, off with his head (figuratively, if not literally).

 

I agree with you that we haven't had an identity in a long time, and that Rex's teams had one. The problem is with that identity as you state it, it isn't accurate imo. Every time in crunch situations, with the game on the line, Rex would turn into a pussy and go passive, soft. Be it the 'prevent" defense, going ultraconservative with play calling, settling for field goals or whatever. Rex was all mouth, but rarely could back up what his fat mouth said. Eff him.

 

Mangini would've been good in the front office, instead of being a HC ... him and Tanny were a good team, but my distaste for Mangini is due to his personality on the field.

 

You have some good points, but I disagree that he was one of our worst HCs. He wasn't. The team was prepared to play each week and was disciplined. They played hard and smart. If it hadn't been for Mangini, Rex never would have enjoyed 2009 and 2010.

Mangini never wanted Favre. Favre was forced upon him by Woody. After all the shoulder injuries, they thought that Chad was done. We don't know if getting rid of him was Mangini, Tanny/Bradway or Woody. Woody may not have wanted to pay him any more to be injured. Still, they should have kept Chad and let him finish his career as a Jet.

As for his doing the GM's job, Bradway or Tanny was the GM. The only close to complete, good drafts they had was when Mangini was here. He made mistakes in the draft like everyone does (the Boar Hunter), but at least he was looking for tough, aggressive players on D. Bradway was an awful GM otherwise, and Tanny wasn't much better being too aggressive and trading away a slew of draft picks, missing on players, etc.