The only solution to this mess is to have reasonable people peacefully protest against the Nazi thugs. We can't afford to have the scumbags at Antifa coming to these events because only violence will ensue. This will only garner support for the Alt-Right and Antifa thus dividing us even further. Just like MLK and the civil rights movement, people need to stand up for American values that this country fought for centuries to achieve. We cannot allow these violent extremists control the narrative. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
that's what the poor woman who was murdered was doing. She was a local Charlottesvillian who didn't like Nazis in her city and she got ran over for it. Meanwhile she got lumped into the "bad people on the other side too" argument by the president
Sadly, it happens to good people fighting against evil. Also, Trumps handling of the situation is a complete catastrophe. While I don't think Trump lumped her into the Antifa crowd (or if he did, then he is a completely gone off the rails), he wanted as strong of a response against the violence committed by Antifa as the Nazis, but one is clearly worse as the other. Yes, Antifa are scumbags like I said earlier, but the White nationalists are willing to kill for what they believe in. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I can say neo-Nazis are dangerous tigers without advocating violence against them. I condemn any Antifas who acted violently. I support peaceful protests, punishing violent neo-Nazis to the full extent of the law, and curtailing the power of any government official, president included, who tries to help them. So I'm not sure what your problem here is. I don't think this is the rise of Nazi America. I'd also like to make sure it stays that way.
What happens if no news outlets report on the Nazi rally? If the counter protestors hold a separate rally away from them and the news reports on that? This likely leads to no violence, with the news coverage of a peaceful counter demonstration maybe leading to others joining their side. While the lack of news coverage for the Nazis means they don't get what they want which is attention for their cause. If the Antifa want to confront the Nazis and KKK then they can do it on their own without involving the peaceful protestors, the police can then take all of them down. After they beat each other to death that is.
Again I disagree. I think considering Nazis have been a violent hate group for decades chances are pretty high they would've been violent yet again even if the media decided to not to do their jobs by forgetting to report about it. We're both speculating anyway. If this was vegas I'd put $50 on the nazis being violent assholes no matter what...because... they are nazi fuckheads and their whole existence is based on violence and hatred
Well if no one is there on the other side who can they be violent against. If the counter protestors get a permit to have their rally in another area and the Nazis try to head to that area you head them off and arrest them all, when the permits are issued let both sides know if they leave their specified area they will be arrested. I read accounts from all sides on this and the Antifa had pipes and rifles just like the Nazis/KKK/Etc. The peaceful counter protestors need to remove themselves from that group, stop being mixed in with the Antifa. Dropping down to the same level of violence accomplishes nothing.
now you are arguing something completely different though. Obviously the police should've arrested people. I don't disagree. 2 days of violence ending in a murder and yet we have 5 people arrested total as of today. that's absurd.
I don't think I am arguing anything different, I think any group should be allowed to rally/protest and yes that does include hate speech. It is when counter protests come up directly against them that you have problems which also takes away from what the counter protestors are wanting people to hear. Keep each protest in a distinct area and anyone attempting to cross gets immediately arrested. Even if the white supremacists do get news coverage then people at home can see what each group stands for. I know it's easy enough to say they stand for hate but when the 2 groups just brawl I think many people just tune out. Keep it separate, have your say, and the peaceful protestors might get some new recruits. Any new recruits the supremacists get were most probably not going over to the other side anyway if they just go over from what the Nazis have to say. I do agree there should have been many more arrests, the police did a shit job the entire time it seems.
It's so simple that there really is no reason to believe that the counter protest wasn't just there for the violence and destruction.
Of course they were, everyone knows what they are and about. But they still needed someone to be violent with. Why was the other side so happy to oblige? Why would the counter protest leaders lead their followers into a fight unless they,you know, wanted a fight.? You can't say look how bad those people are while running around doing bad shit yourself. How does that make you crediblle? They knew where they could find a fight and they went there instead of trying to organize a proactive way to spread their message. So why should anyone believe they are about anything but violence?
You are here saying that people like this girl who was run over by a neo-nazi asshole, a paralegal in Charlotteville, VA, had no reason to be in her own city except to create violence and destruction. Meanwhile out-of-town KKK fucks are running amock in her town for 2 days. To answer your question I can think of countless reasons why "the other side" may have been there besides violence
No, I am saying the leaders in the left chose the most violent way to show their disapproval of the kkk being in that city.
For those of you here that might not be directly threatened by these groups, imagine for a second that ISIS supporters decided to hold a rally in your town (Free speech right?). As they chanted derogatory statements towards you, and your family, kids, friends, neighbors....would you go hold a fuckin peaceful picnic in the park? If these counter-protesters, or as I like to call them "American Citizens" don't stand up for their rights, freedom and peace in their own town against nazi wannabes, who will? If someone is threatening my family in my town Im coming out swinging, not cooking hot dogs and playing cornhole
what "leaders in the left"? and that's also NOT what you said. you said this "It's so simple that there really is no reason to believe that the counter protest wasn't just there for the violence and destruction"
and then afterwards the president could try make it about how there was bad people on both sides and that some of the violent ISIS supporters were "very fine people"
The leaders that knew about the rally long before last Saturday.this was a planned event, as soon as the permits were applied for there should have been a counter protest planned, across town, something that would have promoted the community, got small businesses involved and made some money flow. this violence could have been avoided. We know we can't count on the kkk for that, not sure who we can count on now
