You may not want it but you are having no problems justifying it for your side. Once you can justify for one opponent it gets easier and easier to do it for a lesser issue, and then a lesser issue until it's the answer to any thing you disagree with. there will always be another tiger as you put it and someone claiming to be just a stray cat. That white supremacists demonstration should have been the butt of 100 late nite and internet jokes yesterday. Everyone should have stayed clear, let a tv crew pan to a few idiots and an empty park, maybe a counter protest/BBQ/picnic with music and laughing blocks away. Civil leaders should have stepped up and made that day a celebration opposite the hatred. It was a scheduled event they had time to counter it proactively. I'm an idiot and I knew what would happen with the way they planned their counter. so if an idiot like me knew, they must have known, which means they wanted the violence. Why did they want it? All it did was further polarize a polarized country.
Except one of the aspects of having a higher profile is the media coverage of that group. if the media ignores moderate Trump supporters simply to focus on extremist Trump supporters, then the alt-right as his base is a media creation. Especially when, as you seem to concede, they don't actually make up a significant portion of his voters. If that's the case, moderate Trump supporters are grouped with the alt-right because of the medias focus on the alt-right as Trump's supporters, not because of the alt-right doing anything visibly widespread. And the media has been presenting this concept of Trump supporters well before the alt-right actually earned media coverage this weekend.
Just what the fuck is this verbal diarrhea? Let me lay some facts down first. 1. Extreme right-wing groups exist. 2. Alt-right groups exist. 3. They support Trump. 4. Trump supports them. 5. There are so-called "moderate" Trump supporters. You are trying to extricate group 5 from everyone else, is that right? IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY. They chose 45 as their flag bearer. This means 45 represents their viewpoints. Yes. Every little god damn thing 45 does is on behalf of every Trump supporter, including that so-called "moderate" supporters. This includes support for: racism, bigotry, white-nationalism, white-supremacy, anti-Semitism, anti-immigration rhetoric, and on and on. If they don't support Trump endorsing these despicable ideas, either they should speak up [like I do now] or they should support someone else. As long as they keep themselves associated with 45, they are supporting these abominable rhetoric as well. [And I have yet to see a single Trump supporter that is voicing his/her discontent on this issue. Not that I am surprised. I wasn't expecting any better to begin with.]
That's all fine and dandy, and yet has zero to do with the topic of his base. I hope for your sake you can't get an aneurism by having a typing fit.
Justifying what? I'm not calling for violence, only nonviolent means. I also don't support Antifa. And I said remove Trump if necessary. Not now for his comments but if he abuses his power to support neo-Nazis or interfere with the law's attempt to prosecute them for any crimes they commit. For all of 2016 we tried mocking, patronizing, and underestimating the far right. Look where it got us.
It is amazing how saying there is blame on both sides is being translated into comments like Trump supports white supremacists. It is beyond ridiculous and anyone who truly believes that really is beyond help or reason.
I dont consider myself a liberal, or conservative, and before 2 years ago, not really even political at all. I do consider myself a Jewish American Citizen, and there were 2 sides that day. Nazi and American. If you cant see how damaging it is for the president of the free world to give even a shred of compassion or justification to any HATE groups, then I think it is you who is beyond help and reason.
Bullshit.. Trump supports white supremacists in his actions. Now you can choose NOT to believe what you see and hear since everything that is anti-trump is fake news. Trump is so far gone that in an interview with one of those "nice people", they clearly stated his son-in-law had no business with his daughter because he was a jew. Although not every trump voter is a racist, every Nazi/KKK/Alt-Right marcher was a Trump voter. Trump makes the KKK happy. Trump makes White Supremacists giddy as they have a friend in the WH. After 8 years of Obama, the White House is indeed WHITE again. Glory Be!! Believe whatever you want.. I'll believe what my eyes and ears tell me. People don't burn crosses to light grills. Here's some of those "Nice People" Trump cares so much about... https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=852427574917194
Trump jump started his political career by questioning the validity of Barack Obama's citizenship. If that's not catering to white supremacists, what is?
Every time you said you are not for violence but the white supremacists are dangerous tigers you are justifying the violence , no one speaks out against their parties antics without throwing a but in there. And when both extremes are using the same methods the messages become the same too. Racist left vs racist right is the way most middle class,fed up Americans see this. But I am guessing that is by design to create more apathy, lower the voter turnout even more, makes it harder to change and keeps the powers that be in their cozy positions. Your last paragraph is a bit dramatic. This isn't the rise of nazi America, this was a small demonstration that should have stayed largely unnoticed if the powers that be truly wanted what's best for the county and not to polarize and split the country more than it is
FJF, a nazi murdered someone on our streets. That would never go largely unnoticed no matter who the powers that be are and what they want. Or at least it shouldn't go largely unnoticed, that's for damn sure
But if the counter protest was held away the original protest and billed and planned as a peaceful, good time,community coming together event, invite the news, get your message out in a civil manner everyone would be alive today. There would be no story, just a bunch of people with bad ideas and bad costumes gathering in a park while the rational folks had a day of it. But instead we had a group looking for a fight go march on a group that stays ready for a fight. Horrible tragedy for the girls family and friends, definitely feel for them and the suspect will have his day,but I question the leadership that led her down there that day. We know what the white supremacists are, there is no reasoning there. Someone needed to be the voice of reason and that was a great opportunity for the left to be it. Cooler heads should have prevailed but sadly there seems to be a shortage of those right now. From both sides.
Just wanted to point out that there was a 'dress rehearsal' rally of sorts about the removal of Lee's statue back in July in Charlottesville by a small group of KKK, 30 of the them, if I recall. Yep, they had a legal permit, just like this time. 1,000 protesters showed up. The police held a strong line against the protesters, because, well, 1,000 to 30, tensions were very high, and not because they all agreed with the shitty KKK. The KKK spewed their hateful garbage, there was a small handful of minor police/protester scuffles, a couple of protester pepper spray incidents, but no abject violence. Because the police kept the protesters back and kept them separated. After it was over, everyone complained that the authorities had no respect for the community for keeping the protesters back, favored the stupid KKK scumbuckets across the board, were all closet racists, and were "protecting" them because they sided with them (frustrated sigh). Everyone up to McAulife had to know this was a powder keg waiting to explode, but because they didn't want to seem like they were indeed favoring and supporting these Neo-Nazi jerkoffs because of the July "incident", they just stood there and let it happen until it was already out of control. And that came from above. How the police were somehow 'unprepared' is ridiculous. I guess it was assumed that no-one was going to be murdered, but it was absolutely preventable. All I keep hearing is that 'hate speech is not protected under the constitution'. That's a complete and utter falsehood. It's what you do with that hate speech. Hopefully these groups will become so marginalized that they'll stop showing their stupid faces in public, but the flip side potentially turning into the new Weather Underground is not the the way to make it happen. I couldn't agree with FJF more.
I have a hard time believing a rally led by the KKK, an organization with a long notorious history of violence, especially right after they led a weekend of violence ending in murder no less, would've been a peaceful, good time community gathering under different circumstances. Peaceful, good time community gatherings aint exactly their M.O.
You should feel sorry for yourself because you don't even grasp what the simple concept of a political base is.
I understand that. I even talked about it. You failed to grasp the point. But it's my fault now? That's awesome.
