Keep going back in my mind to the beatings Troy aikman took his rookie year & how that shaped him into the leader he ultimately became.All of that during a 1-15 campaign. The contrary to that is both David Carr & Tim Couch.Both took beatings behind porous offensive lines & never recovered. I think the deciding factor is whether he can execute an acceptable level of play in a quick passing game that doesn't ask a lot of an overmatched OL or an inexperienced WR group?If he can..give him the rock & let him work through the growing pains.If not,maybe wait for Mccown to get hurt
I hope you are in the minority with your ideal. 0-16 would be a disaster. I want this team moving forward. Making progress. I hope that all the top draft picks drafted for the defense begin to dominate. I hope that Kevin Greene gets the best out of the young group of LB's and someone like Mauldin or Jenkins or Donahue emerges as a pass rushing threat. I hope Dennard Wilson makes Burris into a quality corner and Darrell Roberts gets better too. I hope that Steve Marshall does as good a job as he did last year developing the young guys on the OL. The OL solidified after Mangold and Clady went down because the young guys like Johnson and Shell stepped up. Hopefully they will be OK this season. I hope Bilal Powell has a productive year and earns some money. He deserves it. I hope that one of either Hack or Petty becomes a quality starter. Why? Because they are NY Jets and they are in the building. Noone knows what the 2018 NFL Draft class will look like for Quarterbacks. It could suck. Focus on the here and now.
I agree with that with the caveat that I think that Hack should be getting the lion's share of snaps with the 1st team, so that when McCown gets injured or is benched for horrific play (yeah, that's likely to happen), Hack will be prepared and ready to play.
I don't get why you think 0-16 would be a disaster. Do you think Bowles is a good HC? Do you think Rodgers is a good DC? IMO right there are two very compelling reasons why the Jets could wind up 0-16. I think that it would definitely be best for the Jets and all involved if Hack proves to be our FQB this season, if all our young players emerge and play very well, and the team wins some games. Given our situation with our tough schedule, Enunwa going down, Bowles giving most of the snaps to McCown and probably starting him, Rodgers sucking, and Jets' luck, I will be shocked if that happens. I think that more than likely: Hack will show some potential when he gets a chance to play, but not enough that the Jets don't believe that they need to get a QB in the 2018 draft; that we will see progress, development and some real flashes from some of our young players, but not to the extent that you hope; that we will wind up winning just enough games to wind up missing out on getting that topflight QB prospect in 2018; that Bowles will be retained; and we will continue to struggle.
You do realise how much I have defended Hack on this site for the last two months right ? Not once have I advocated getting a QB at number 1, feel free to trawl my post history
We are already a disaster that is the point, we need to tank if that is what you want to call it and then start to improve over the next 3-5 seasons and then, well who knows what but that will be the fun part, watching our team grow to glory.
The last team to go 0-16 was the 2008 Detroit Lions. THAT is how hard it is. And what did the Lions do? They drafted Matt Stafford with the first pick of the 2009 draft. How successful have the Lions been since? How many Super Bowl victories? Believe me, we do not want to emulate that team. We want to build up the team, get to respectable and develop a QB to be good enough to win.
Pulse, again that is flawed logic. That was the Lions. Stafford was the best or one of the best QB prospects in that draft. He certainly has made them a lot more competitive than they would have been otherwise. It's on their scouting dept/GM, that they couldn't build and develop a team around Stafford. They had a great DL and let the players leave one-by-one. They had a HOF WR and other good offensive pieces. They made poor choices for HCs and had to overcome some bad GMs. As you said, the Jets's defense is pretty much set. What they really need is a QB, upgrade the OL (including adding their future LT) and add a quality young RB and #1 WR. With the #1 or #2 pick in the draft in 2018, they could add a number of those pieces. The lower they draft in each round, the less their chances of getting those pieces in 2018, and the longer the rebuild takes. That's the reality.
Getting the highest pick has never correlated towards becoming a contender. See - Houston Texans / Jacksonville Jaguars from 2014. I want a top pick as well, but getting the highest pick has never correlated to big time success. Oakland picked 5th and got their edge rusher of the future and their QB of the future.
No, its not flawed logic. Its my opinion. Teams that go 0-16 are BROKEN teams. The Lions had Calvin Johnson and nothing else in 2008. They needed to build up everything. Its practically impossible to do from scratch. The Lions GOT the QB they wanted, had the best WR of his era, and your right developed an elite DL and still couldnt do it. Only got to 10-6 in 2011, even though Stafford threw 41 TD's that year. Blame the fact that they didnt have the right GM or Coach and I can agree with that too. But anyone that thinks the Jets could go 0-16, draft Darnold then compete for a Super Bowl are smoking crack.
Ah well you are entitled to your opinion as am i. Of course I am now thinking you are just an arse looking for an argument but I have better things to be doing than argue the toss with you all night, you go and enjoy the season and the three wins you crave and next season we will be in exactly the same place as now and the season after, me I would prefer to see us become a winning franchise at some point in my life, I have had enough of mediocrity but you still love it to much.
You are not understanding him at all, he doesn't think the addition of Darnold means competing for the superbowl a season after 0-16, that would be fanciful, it would be the first step on the way to a rebuild, rebuilds do not take 1 season or everybody would be doing one, they are a steady improvement, bringing youth players to the boil at the right time all together. As for your opening line, we are already a BROKEN team, how the fuck can you not see that ? We have been broken for a long time, the 10-6 season was a one off and even then they blew it against a shit Bills outfit and that should be telling everybody what was about to come next and Fitz delivered in style. We have bits and pieces of a good team, Williams is ready to become a true beast, Mo and Sheldon could turn back the clock, could or hopeful ? Lee, Adams, Maye, ASJ, Burris, Shell and a couple of others, yes they are a long way from the finished article but that is what rebuilding is all about, these players give some hope for the future, we back these up with another good round of drafting, next season and the season after, then you evaluate on how much progress is being made, you could then back them up with some quality FA's or always go youth making the transition to a conveyor belt system and always having enough time to keep developing players for the future.
FFS, that will be the excuse Bowles needs to knock him back down again, a bad interception or good play by the defence as opposed to a horrendous throw ?
You just made my point for me. You said drafting Darnold next April will be the first step on a multi-year rebuild. Its my view that the Jets have been rebuilding for the last two years. Its my best case scenario that rather than going 0-16, the young players that are the core of this team for the next 5-6 years take massive strides and start becoming stars. All the guys you mentioned. If they do, the Jets wont be 0-16 and will be well on their way towards being competitive. Thats my hope. As you said, your hope is 0-16 followed by a total rebuild.
