I want the #1 pick too but if they do go 8-8 with Hack starting that means Hack is a real QB at least so maybe we would have a chance with him under those circumstances. But if we win 4 or 5 games with McCown it just means the GM should be taken out behind the woodshed. You're more likely to get the #1 pick with Hack starting, but at least if he plays you out of it rather than some aging useless vet you might have something. But nope, can't even get that through his head.
My question is, other than a dominant pass rusher, what additional pieces does the defense need to be very good-elite? Talent wise, they should be very good. 0-16 means they are not good and an entire rebuild is necessary on the defense as well as the offense. I hope thats not the case. I want the defense to be ascending and basically set. Then when the QB piece is put in place they can make a super bowl run.
I think you are more likely to get the 1 pick with mccown playing seeing as he has played for the last 3 teams to get it. But hack should be starting
If only one of Darnold and Allen enter next year's draft, and none of the other QB prospects look very good, you'd rather the team win a meaningless game or two and quite possibly have another team get that QB? Not me. Hopefully, we can win a game or two and still have the top pick, but if it's late in the season and there is another team or two with no wins or only one win, you bet your bottom dollar I'm going to be rooting like crazy for the team to go 0-16. Yes, it's embarrassing to some extent, but is it really that different from going 1-15? No. Following this season, the 2017 season will be in the past. The Jets need to focus on the future, not the past. If winning 0 games gets the Jets their FQB, and a new, quality HC and gives the Jets a real shot to get to and win several SBs, you can sign me up right now. IMO anyone who would root against that is the one who should be ashamed because you're putting your own personal sense of pride or not being embarrassed in the short term over what's best for the team and ALL the fans in the long run.
Why? How is that too steep a price? Not getting the FQB we desperately need would be too steep a price. With this team's laughable history, losing every game would be just one more embarrassment. Conversely, getting that FQB could go a LONG way towards helping us all forget that sorry history.
How many #1 overall draft picks have the Pats / Steelers / Broncos / Packers had in the last 10 years? Top draft picks don't equate to success.
Wha? In case you haven't noticed, we're in the midst of a house clean. Bowles needs to go anyway. He should have been fired immediately following last season. Do you really think 1-15 is gonna save Bowles' job where 0-16 wouldn't? Whereas I'd hate to lose Greene, Morton and Bates from our staff, as well as Dennard Wilson and the WR coach, if it meant getting rid of the clueless, passionless Bowles, it would be worth it.
I totally disagree, Pulse. It wouldn't mean any such thing. Yes, we have a lot of talent, but winning can be hard, especially for young teams. A lot of things can go awry to cause losses: poor game planning, overly conservative play (playing not to lose), injuries, players not being prepared to play, committing dumb penalties, having less talent than other teams, rookie mistakes, tough schedules, etc. Yes, the D has a ton of talent. The offense and STs however, do not. If Bowles does go with McCown and QB and goes the play not to lose route, then I think this team could easily lose 16 games. The offense will probably average less than 10 points a game. The D will be exhausted by early 3rd quarter if not halftime, especially later in the season. The D could average scoring 7 points a game and the Jets could still lose all 16. They are indeed capable of winning at least a couple of games, but whether they do or not will depend a lot on what the offense is able to do, how STs perform, and what kind of jobs Bowles and Rodgers do. I don't think they will go 0-16, but if they do then we need to look at how and why they lost every game. As you know, confidence and momentum are huge in sports, perhaps more in football than any other sport. Once things start going sideways, they can be very hard to correct.
I'm all for baptism by fire, but that's tempered a bit by the possibility of seeing Hackenberg getting killed on the regular. Three more days until I show up for the first pre-season ripoff. Yes, I decided to go to the game. Like an idiot. The Jets should've cut the crap and just signed Todd Marinovich instead of McCown. Death, taxes, and the NYJ front office.
I agree that as of right now, the only Critical additional piece is a dominant pass rusher. But if Claiborne gets injured or only stays here one year, then we'll need another quality CB. We probably also need an upgrade from Demario Davis. 0-16 does not necessarily mean that the D isn't good. That's flawed logic. The Jets are playing a tough schedule. They could play well against some of the top teams and still come up short. Teams have bad games, and those bad games could occur against the 2-3 teams we have a good chance of winning. If the STs play like crap and the offense can't score points and/or turns the ball over a lot, then it could cause the team to lose every game no matter how well the D plays. When Ds are on the field most of the game, they're exhausted by the 4th qtr., if not earlier. Injuries happen.
2 wins will get you a top 3 pick ... you don't see many 1-15 teams. Sorry not rooting for them to go 0-16, that is asinine.
I'm so sick of seeing similar statements with their epically-flawed fatal logic. It's not just the #1 pick. It's the first pick in every round, and having more great-good players as options, and more opportunities to trade down and garner additional picks. It involves some luck in having the #1 pick in a very good to great draft. When the Jets have had the #1 pick, it has almost always been in a crappy draft. The one exception was 1997 when the Jets could have gotten either Peyton Manning, Orlando Pace and Walter Jones, and what does that dumbass Parcells do? Trades down and takes James Farrior. It involves having a good owner, team President, or GM and making the right decisions in the draft and FA, and having the right CS has to be in place to develop the players and team and build a winner. The teams you cited were already good or had good owners, GMs, and foundations. They were too good to get the #1 pick and didn't need it. For a downtrodden team that needs a major infusion of talent, getting the #1 pick in a deep and strong draft can equivocate to the motherlode and enable them to turn things around quickly.
I disagree that Mac would lose his job. He can't make Bowles give all the reps to Hack and Petty. He can't make Bowles start Hack or Petty. He couldn't fire Bowles and/or Rodgers. He has secured more than enough talent for the Jets to win some games. IMO it would be ALL on the CS and or luck (injuries, bad bounces of the ball, etc.) if the Jets went winless this season.
No, there usually aren't many 1-15 teams, but we all know how the Jets' luck can go. It would be just our luck that this year there would be another one or two teams that go 1-15, and in typical fashion the Jets would wind up drafting 3rd and the only one or two good QBs would be gone by the time the Jets pick. I'm not rooting for them to go 0-16 right now and don't think they will. But if there are 2-3 games left in the season, and the Jets and another team are all tied at 0 wins, you can bet your sweet bippee that I'm going to root for the Jets to lose out. You can root for them to win a game, miss out on the QB or stud pass rusher we need, and see them continue to languish in mediocrity, and you will deserve what you get.
If we go 0-16, the franchise needs to be cleansed. The majority of the talent Mac brought in [IE Adams, Williams] were absolute no-brainers. We will have to see how Maye does as well as some of the other young talent. For me, he hasn't shown enough to convince me, he should stay should they go 0-16.
If they win 1 or 2 games so be it, I don't care how the rest of the season ends up, but no way even if another team has 0 wins would I root for the Jets to match that.
I think he's done a better job than you do, but that's fair. While I agree with his not using #1 draft picks on centers and guards, I think he should have used at least one 1st or 2nd round draft pick on a tackle by now and a 2nd or 3rd on an OG or C by now, and perhaps made it more of a focus in FA.
We need a lot of help on the OL do we not ? Is this not why we are worried somebody will kill Hack if he started ? Like somebody said earlier it isn't always about the number 1 pick it is the first pick in every round down or what you can trade down for that could leave this team looking a lot stronger even by next season. Like I have said all summer, my ideal would be to lose all 16 games in battling fashion, losing by a score so as not to get "embarrassed" and also proving that Hack can handle pro football, if we lost 21-14 every game then I would be more than happy. A good RB wouldn't go amiss either btw.
