No, not really. I understand where you're coming from on this and share your desire not to get Petty or Hack killed, but if you re-read the rest of my response to your post, you'll see that I said that even if McCown starts, more than likely, he'll be injured within a game or two and then Hack or Petty would be starting anyway, and since playing McCown tells the team nothing about Hack and Petty and doesn't help them going forward, that Hack or Petty should go ahead and start. Once Beachum starts practicing and the OL learns the offense, if they don't get markedly better, then Mac HAS to sign some camp cuts to try to upgrade the OL. If he doesn't, then imo his job should be on thin ice, and if he doesn't seriously upgrade the OL and offense in the 2018 draft, then he should go.
Jets' center Wesley Johnson is preparing to take over for his 'big brother' Nick Mangold BY DANIEL POPPER NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Updated: Sunday, August 6, 2017, 2:07 AM For the past 11 years, as the Jets’ revolving door at starting quarterback whirled around and around with each passing season, fans could rely on the man snapping the ball, No. 74, center Nick Mangold. Mangold was the offense’s anchor and a football savant with the kind of expansive and detailed knowledge that left younger offensive lineman in disbelief. A first-round pick in 2006, Mangold missed just four starts out of 160 in his first 10 seasons in the NFL. He was the model of consistency at one of the most important yet underrated positions in the league. But Mangold is gone now, one of the many veterans whose Jets careers ended this past offseason as general manager Mike Maccagnan began a full-fledged rebuild for a franchise still seeking its first Lombardi Trophy since the Lyndon B. Johnson administration. And the player tasked with supplanting Mangold in the middle of the O-line - fourth-year lineman Wesley Johnson - is fully aware of the enormous hole he must fill. “He’s a guy that you don’t replace,” Johnson told the Daily News last week at Jets training camp in Florham Park. And yet there’s reason for optimism. Mangold was meticulous at helping and aiding younger players, and he was instrumental in Johnson’s development in 2016. “He was like my big brother,” Johnson said. Last season, as Mangold battled multiple injuries and was placed on injured reserve for the first time in his career, Johnson started eight games and played significant time in three other contests after Mangold went down, first with a tweaked knee and then with a sprained ankle that eventually ended his season. Even after landing on IR Dec. 8, though, Mangold was often at Jets practice, pacing the sideline in a walking boot. “He always looked after the young guys. It was tough love. He was hard to deal with sometimes. But he always looked out for us,” Johnson said of Mangold. “He got put on IR at the end of the year. When most guys get put on IR, they check out: ‘I’m going to go spend time with my family.’ He didn’t. He was in my back pocket every practice, every game, and that meant the world to me because I have (offensive line coach Steve) Marshall and I have (assistant offensive line coach David Diaz-Infante), but I (also) have a guy who I think is a Hall of Famer telling my what I did wrong and what I did right every play.” Johnson opted not to share any of the “tough love” moments. “I want to keep his memory shining,” the former fifth-pick of the Steelers said with a chuckle. Nonetheless, it’s clear the two linemen developed a strong bond off the field. In the locker room last season, Mangold and Johnson would walk around with Nerf guns, looking for opportunities to pester each other or their teammates. “He’s a big Star Wars guy,” Johnson said. “I’m more of a Game of Thrones guy. But I like Star Wars.” Most importantly, Johnson was able to pick Mangold’s brain and gain an understanding of the type of studying and expertise necessary to be a successful NFL center. Johnson is currently slated as the Jets’ starting center, according to Todd Bowles. But as is the case with virtually every position on the Jets roster, Johnson will have to continue earning his job for the remainder of training camp. “The thing that I was most immediately impressed about Nick was his knowledge of the game and how smart he was,” Johnson said. “He knew the whole offense and then he knew stuff that offensive linemen have absolutely no business knowing, and he was able to correlate it all and make the right calls, be consistent every single play. He was incredibly consistent, and I think that’s the goal for offensive linemen.” Initially, Johnson said Mangold’s football IQ was daunting. “He says all this stuff, and you’re like, ‘Man, I don’t know what that means,’” Johnson said. “But you sit down and you piece it up, you learn it, and you see how he gets it. You see why he was in the league for 11 years, how he got such great experience and you begin to see the pictures the way he sees it.” On the field last season, Johnson impressed the Jets coaching staff with his play. “Wes is a very good NFL player,” Steve Marshall said. “I saw a lot of good things from him. He’s a natural leader. He’s very athletic, he’s smart, and he’s kind of got all the attributes you want in an NFL player.” Johnson’s biggest takeaway from his extended action in 2016 was learning to control his emotions. “When you go out there your first few games, you’re just chomping at the bit. You’re snarling, you’re snorting and you just want to go after it, show that you can play,” he said. “You got to be calm. You got to make the calls. You got to be in control, and you got to really take charge of what everybody’s doing.” Mangold was in control for over a decade. Now Johnson is striving to do the same. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...harge-jets-cut-nick-mangold-article-1.3387326
QB controversy that isn’t and four other Jets camp takeaways | New York Post By August 5, 2017 | 6:46pm 1. I’m not buying the idea this is an open competition at quarterback. I think coach Todd Bowles just wants to foster the idea of competition and is paying it lip service. The way they have divided the team reps tells the story. First, let’s just forget about Bryce Petty being the starter. He barely is getting any team reps (four on Friday) and the ones he does get are with the third team. That leaves Josh McCown and Christian Hackenberg. So far McCown has gotten nearly all of the first-team snaps, and when I say “nearly all,” I mean about 99 percent. Hackenberg has worked with the second unit throughout camp. There has been no rotation, no alternating series, nothing. McCown looks like the starter and Hackenberg is the No. 2. The only way I see this changing is if Hackenberg really plays well in the first two preseason games and forces the Jets to rethink it. But, at the moment, I would bet on McCown starting the season against the Bills unless he is injured. None of the quarterbacks have looked particularly good, but I would give McCown the edge in terms of who is practicing the best. He clearly has better command of the offense right now, as you’d expect with a 38-year-old veteran who has played in it before. 2. One thing that has not been surprising is the wide receivers. They have looked as I expected them to — raw. Quincy Enunwa is the only receiver the Jets have with lots of playing experience and he went down Saturday night with a neck injury that may keep him out a while. The rest is a mix of draft picks, undrafted free agents and free-agent castoffs from other teams. There have been tons of drops in practice. I can’t remember a training camp where I have seen the football hit the ground more than this one between poor throws and drops. It is tough to evaluate the quarterbacks because you know the receivers are running the wrong routes sometimes and that is the reason for incompletions. Offensive coordinator John Morton is losing his voice from barking at the wideouts. 3. Here is a positive for you: Marcus Maye, the team’s second-round pick, looks like the real deal. First-round pick Jamal Adams has gotten most of the attention, and he also looks ready to start Day 1, but I expected that. Maye has been a little surprising to me with how well he is playing. He had an interception returned for a touchdown Saturday night and a few other near interceptions, but the more impressive element of his game is how physical he is. He delivers big hits in practice on a routine basis. Adams and Maye could be the starting safeties for a very long time. Demario DavisBill Kostroun 4. Demario Davis is back with the Jets after a year away in Cleveland, and he looks quicker to me. Davis is now playing the “Mike” linebacker with David Harris gone and he is flying around the field. He has made a number of crunching hits on running backs trying to block him on blitzes. What the Jets did to Harris is inexcusable, but they look like they have a strong replacement in Davis. The big question now is can he handle being the quarterback of the defense like Harris was in terms of making adjustments. 5. While the quarterback competition is not what the coaches cracked it up to be, there appears to be true competition at outside linebacker. The Jets are rotating players in with the first team on a daily basis under new position coach Kevin Greene. Lorenzo Mauldin, Jordan Jenkins, Dylan Donahue, Josh Martin and Frank Beltre have all gotten significant first-team reps. It will be interesting to see how that shakes out before the season.
Hopefully Hack takes it in the preseason games, or shows he's almost ready. The WR corps is concerning. The rest is good news, especially Maye.
Interesting. I had no idea that Frank Beltre was getting a lot of reps with the 1st string D. That makes the competition at OLB even tougher. I think they'll keep only 4. Before reading that about Beltre, my guess was Donahue, Jenkins, Mauldin and Martin, but Beltre sounds like he could force his way into the 4 or maybe force the Jets to keep 5. If they keep 4 and Beltre is one of the 4, then I'd think that Mauldin would be the odd man out.
Mauldin will probably end up like Farrior, Pitt will pick him up and he will flourish under a CS that knows how to use players.
Well there you have it TB is worthless incompetent as a HC.... it is inexcusable not to have the young guys getting the bulk of the reps...
Right here waiting on the pre-"season games to begin...... This line will probably have our team looking for 3 QB's, our current ones will soon be dead.
I wasn't being mean, I promise. I'm actually trying on a new religion. It's called "don't be an asshole." At this point, I realize I'm not very good at it. Didn't mean to sound brash if I did. Lol
Your aren't wrong with any of this really. Lol Though I will comment about the hybrid defense & the players being suited for either a 4-3/3-4 scheme.For one,this is what Bowles wants.He's even more hybrid than Rex was.Rex was more "multiple" than so Hybrid.Hybrid at its core requires well rounded athletes who can match up in different looks. They're always gonna be best suited in one specific scheme/role but theoretically their athleticism allows them to fill in as matchup dictates. It's on Bowles/Rodgers to take the personnel & make it work.Thats what their scheme is all about.Its not cut n dry like a 2 gap 4-3/cover 2. I see a lot of young ascending talent on this D.While they aren't perfect,if Bowles & his scheme are all their fracked up to be there are no excuses.They can stop the run,They have Lbs w speed who can blitz & they have 2 rare breed rookie safeties who can line up anywhere but really just need to put a top back on this defense for vast improvement. A top on this defense,improved DL play & faster more mature LBs means Bowles getting back to blitzing & hopefully more big plays. I'm not really sure what being better on D really even means.Its getting to the point where bend but don't break is the ultimate goal.I don't think a defense really can dominate anymore..who knows maybe I'm proven wrong. Don't mistake my expectations on the Defense as optimism..we could field a top 5 D & still go 1-15.
So, bottom line, they could've drafted Mahomes or Watson, or Fournette, or McCaffrey with their 1st pick AND still gotten a great Safety, thus massively improving the "O" and the "D" in the 1st two rounds. I'm moving ever closer to giving up on this Keystone Kops franchise.
If they had drafted Watson or McCaffrey with their 1st round pick instead of Adams, I would have already given up on this franchise. In almost any other year, I may have rolled the dice on Mahomes, but not with Adams sitting there. I'll be shocked if he's doesn't have HOF credentials when his career is over. You don't pass that up even for a QB with Mahomes arm and upside, much less a QB who more than likely will be a career backup at best, or a bust, or a RB who's not a workhorse-type RB like Fournette. I even went back and looked at this year's draft to see what it may have been like if they had taken Adams in the first and gone offense in the 2nd. At their pick in the 2nd there were only a few offensive players who were worthy of being taken at that point. I forget if they traded picks with the Chargers or not. If so, they could have taken Forrest Lamp, and while he is a great prospect, I'm not sure that's the best move they could have made. If not, then that leaves Dalvin Cook or Joe Mixon, who I doubt were even on the Jets draft board, Curtis Samuels, who I would not have wanted as I don't think he would have helped our offense as much as Maye will our D, Gerald Everett, TE who I didn't like at all, and Adam Shaheen, TE. I liked Shaheen a lot at the time. I haven't heard how he's been doing with the Bears, and at this point, I'm not sure if he'll be any better pro TE than Leggett. Maye looks like a real keeper. Having a great safety tandem for the next 10 years should not be dismissed lightly. Conversely, even if the Jets didn't take Maye, there were several other defensive players who I felt were better and could have helped the team more. There was Sidney Jones, CB; Tyus Bowser, OLB; Quincy Wilson, CB, and maybe even Marcus Williams, S. The only other offensive players taken in the 2nd round were Ethan Pocic, C; Dion Dawkins and Taylor Moton, both OGs. If the Jets had traded down towards the end of the round, added another 3rd round pick and taken one of those 3, I would have been happy with that. I think that if the Jets draft picks (especially the 1st rounders) were more equally balanced between the offense and defense over the last 10 years, not a lot would have been made of Mac taking consecutive safeties in this draft. It looks worse because of the way the offense has been ignored. If Adams and Maye turn out to be the best or one of the 2-3 best safety tandems in the NFL for the next 10 years, and the Jets focus on the offense in the draft for the next couple of years, everyone will be very happy. I know it's been said before, but since it is a multi-year rebuild anyway, does it really matter if the next 2-3 drafts focus heavily on offense?
Meanwhile Pryor on the Browns depth chart is THIRD. Smh. That dude maybe one of the first cut there. Crazy.
Bryce Petty (9) and Christian Hackenberg (5) have been splitting the backup reps in Jets camp, with Josh McCown working with the starters. Open competition? Not exactly. - Cimini So far, McCown got all of the first team reps, I am curious when Bowles will stop saying, that it is an open competition.
