Can someone give me a quick scoop on this Chris Harper kid? I've seen he was the #1 trending topic on twitter yesterday for a few hours.. what's he been doing?
cman, Again, my friend, I don't know why you're over the top with your comments regarding Petty and the Jets, but imo you are. IMO the major problem with the Jets, is not that they haven't developed many QBs and are so awful at it, but rather that they've had such sorry GMs, and with the exception of 1965, have never made it a real priority to find a topnotch QB. A few days or a week ago, I posted a list of every QB the Jets have ever drafted and in which round. Most of the guys (I can't even seriously call them QBs) the Jets have drafted to play the position have not been quality prospects and they were taken in a low round. One can pick his favorite maxim to express this: "One can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit." or "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." If the Jets had developed any of those "QBs" it would have been like putting lipstick on a pig. He'd still be a pig. Even the "great" Bill Parcells screwed the pooch. He screwed the Jets out of Manning, then tried to go into an NFL season with no backup QB. He then brought in Rick Mirer and stuck with him for way too many sorry games. He made up for it some by drafting Chad, but then didn't stick around to help Chad develop and he left the Jets with Al D'oh and Bradway, which screwed Chad royally. Parcells further screwed Chad by not building a quality OL, something he pretty much always had with the Giants. In '97, he passed up not one, but two HOF LTs (Orlando Pace and Walter Jones) to draft a bunch of schmucks in the draft. Fuck Parcells. I hope the bastard burns in NFL hell. The bottom line is that since whomever owned the Jets in 1964-65 (Sonny Werblin?) or shortly thereafter, has sucked. He has known little about football and has made decisions regarding the team based more on financial considerations rather than football considerations. Becoming the best team in the NFL has never been a driving force. As a result, the GMs and coaching staffs have been piss poor, and most of the players they've drafted have sucked. Petty's no more unfortunate than any of the other players who the Jets drafted that actually had some talent. In fact, I think the case can be made that Chad and others were screwed more by the Jets than Petty. The Jets actually did all those schmucks they drafted that had little or no talent a favor, as they gave them a chance in the NFL and some of them got paid for a year or two and got a little notoriety.
Sorry c, the odds against any qb succeeding is too long for me to buy in to the jet fan pity party. Also, we have never seen this stafff develops a qb before. The only thing they have in common with any other regime that hasn't developed a qb is the address in which they work. So unless you are claiming that the brick,mortar and steel of the building they work in has some effect on the qb development I don't know how you can back up your claim.
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/08/jets_matt_forte_sidelined_marcus_maye_delivers_hug.html Jets' Matt Forte sidelined, Marcus Maye delivers huge hit | Day 4 practice report Updated August 02, 2017 Posted August 02, 2017 By Darryl Slater | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com The Jets on Tuesday held their fourth training camp practice and second in pads. They are off Wednesday. But first, they had one 11-on-11 team period of (rather intense) full contact action Tuesday, which was their fourth consecutive day of practice. Here are our takeaways and observations from Tuesday's action ... JOHNSONS OBSERVE Jets owner Woody Johnson and his brother Christopher Johnson were in attendance at Tuesday's practice, watching from the sideline. It was the first time either had attended a training camp practice this year. With Woody set to become the United States' ambassador to the United Kingdom — though it's not official yet — the Jets have said Christopher would take over day-to-day operations. Woody would still be involved in big decisions. And Christopher has been around the Jets before all this. But the presence of both men at practice Tuesday marked another step in the transition from brother to brother. MATT FORTE SIDELINED Forte didn't practice Tuesday, a day after tweaking his hamstring. There is no point in rushing along a 31-year-old running back. And sure enough, coach Todd Bowles said the Jets will be cautious with Forte. This is early in training camp, remember. Bowles said Forte is "day to day" right now. So it doesn't seem like Forte's hamstring injury is serious. But you never know how these things can linger. He also dealt with a hamstring injury during last year's training camp. He was ready, last year, to carry 22 times in Week 1. Wide receiver Robby Anderson (undisclosed non-serious injury) was back at practice Tuesday and fully participated. (Think that even the Star Ledger doesn't have a negative bias towards the Jets? In almost every TC report and major article of late, there has been a link to the following: Jets' bad moves 10 dumbest things Jets have done) HOW'D THE QUARTERBACKS LOOK? Here are Tuesday's stats for the three-man competition (click here for more analysis of the quarterbacks): Josh McCown: 16-20 Christian Hackenberg: 7-12 Bryce Petty: 6-8 [THE MORE DETAILED CAMP REPORT ON THE QBS BY CONNOR HUGHES REFERENCED ABOVE IN THE "CLICK HERE FOR MORE ANALYSIS" WILL FOLLOW THIS POST] SURPRISE WIDE RECEIVER Keep an eye on Chris Harper. He has done some good things so far in camp. And he really flashed Tuesday. Harper made an insane, one-handed, diving catch on a deep ball from Bryce Petty in team periods. Later, along the sideline, Harper reached up and snatched a high pass. Bowles praised Harper's hands afterward. Beyond Quincy Enunwa (and Anderson, to a lesser degree), the Jets have no sure things at receiver. An opportunity for Harper, who signed with the Jets on May 30. This is his third NFL season. He has 14 career catches, including 13 last year with the 49ers. CHAD HANSEN FLASHES Not as good as Harper on Tuesday, but Hansen did some promising things. Hansen didn't have a significant impact during team periods, though. During a quaterback-receiver drill (against no defense), Hansen made a pretty over-the-shoulder catch. The Jets drafted him in Round 4 this year, to be a deep threat receiver. And he showed off those skills in that spot, now that he has returned from a sore knee. Later, in a one-on-one drill, Harper wrestled a deep ball away from Doug Middleton, after getting a little bit of separation. Good display of strength here in the deep-ball game. MARCUS MAYE'S BIG HIT The pads really popped on this one. And Maye hit tight end Jordan Leggett — a fellow rookie — so hard during this full contact period play that Maye's helmet flew off. Maye absolutely crushed Leggett near the sideline. Though Jamal Adams — the other half of the Jets' rookie safety duo — is known as a hard hitter, Maye can hit just as hard. Bowles said Monday that he wanted to have more full contact periods in this camp than he had last year. And sure enough, on Tuesday, the Jets were going full contact, entering an off day. After Tuesday's one full contact period, Bowles didn't say how many days he'd like to do full contact during this camp. It probably won't be a lot, even if it is more than last year, when the Jets did it just a few times.
Sounds like he will make the team. There are spots open at WR for sure after getting rid of B. Marshall & Decker and J. Marshall being suspended. He's played for NE and San Fran so its not like he's out of his element. 4 good practices in a row
I don't hope "the bastard burns in NFL hell" but you're absolutely right about Parcells and his drafts. He got the most out of his players - but he easily could have had better players. Zolak behind Vinny in '99 was inexcusable. So were most of his draft picks. So much for "picking the groceries".
No practice today. Not allowed to practice more than 4 days in a row. I have to get the NFLpa to negotiate my work schedule. 5 days in a row is too much
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/20...tty_struggle_in_4th_c.html#incart_river_index Christian Hackenberg, Jets quarterbacks struggle in 4th camp practice: QB report (8/1/17) Updated August 01, 2017 Posted August 01, 2017 By Connor Hughes | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com How did the Jets quarterbacks look in the fourth training camp practice? It wasn't pretty... How'd the quarterbacks look? FLORHAM PARK — One step forward, two steps back. After a promising outing 24 hours ago, Jets quarterbacks Josh McCown, Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenberg struggled mightily on Tuesday. The defense turned up the tempo in the second padded practice, and the offense wasn't able to match. Despite solid pass protection, none of the three did much of anything. There weren't any interceptions in team drills, but more than a handful of missed throws to wide-open receivers. Maybe four-straight camp practices finally took a toll on the three? The Jets will have off on Wednesday. Here's the complete practice report: THE ROTATION This is starting to iron itself out. While coach Todd Bowles won't say it, Josh McCown is clearly the starter (right now), followed by Christian Hackenberg and Bryce Petty. Of the three practices, this was the most divided. REP COUNTER (practice): Josh McCown: 28 Christian Hackenberg: 18 Bryce Petty: 9 REP COUNTER (camp) McCown: 90 Hackenberg: 74 Bryce Petty: 62 I asked Bowles after practice when he'd consider changing the quarterback rotation. After saying the Jets don't have a starter right now, and no one is getting first-team reps (eye-roll), he added he'll mix things up whenever someone impresses him. That could happen this week, next, or in a month. There's no timetable, per Bowles. THE STATS Bowles said Tuesday the Jets' have installed "less than a third" of their offense, which could explain the abundance of underneath throws from the quarterbacks. Through four practices, it's a very rare occurrence for a pass to travel over 15 yards. The quarterbacks weren't good on Tuesday. They were borderline awful. But the stats paint a much, much better picture. This is one of those situations where numbers lie. TEAM DRILL STATS Josh McCown 16/20 Christian Hackenberg 7/12 Bryce Petty 6/8, 1 sack _____ CUMULATIVE CAMP STATS Josh McCown 45 of 60 (75 percent), 1 interception Christian Hackenberg 28 of 47 (59 percent), 0 interceptions Bryce Petty 23 of 34 (67 percent), 2 interceptions Josh McCown: THE GOOD McCown seems to have the offense down, or whatever is installed to this point. He also is aware of his physical limitations. He takes what the defense gives him, almost to a fault. I can't rip him for constantly checking it down, because every quarterback is checking it down. He did throw a nice pass to receiver Quincy Enunwa — who had a great day — on a deep-in in 7-on-7 drills. Perfect ball placement just passed cornerback David Rivers. (Italics mine in this next section) Josh McCown: THE BAD To this point, McCown is uninspiring. He's Ryan Fitzpatrick, but with a little more arm strength, and a little less gunslinger. He didn't do anything terrible in practice Thursday, but nothing that jumped out as all that great, either. At 38 years old, McCown is who he is. Christian Hackenberg: THE GOOD Hackenberg handled pressure much better on Thursday, and the defense brought a decent amount. When they did, he kept his eyes down the field and moved around to extend the pocket. The first couple days, he held the ball way too long in the same spot, which allowed the defense to collapse on him. His ability to step up in the pocket and keep the play alive particularly stood out to me. Christian Hackenberg: THE BAD While Hackenberg didn't throw any interceptions in team drills, he did toss one in individuals, and another in 7-on-7s. Both were right to the defender. In team drills, he struggled quite a bit with his accuracy. He bounced two passes to running backs five yards in front of him, and sailed another over the head of fullback Anthony Firkser in the flat. Hackenberg also threw his receivers into danger twice. If Tuesday were a game, receiver Robby Anderson and tight end Jordan Leggett would have been crushed by defenders. Bryce Petty: THE GOOD Give Petty credit, he trusts his receivers more than most. He'll throw a pass or two each practice where he gives his guy a chance to go get it. On Tuesday, both balls went to receiver Chris Harper. The first was a perfectly-placed pass down the seam, which Harper reached out for a 33-yard, one-handed grab. On the second, Petty stepped up in the pocket and delivered a strike to the right sideline where Harper made a sliding catch. Bryce Petty: THE BAD Petty didn't do anything bad in team drills... because he barely received any reps. He struggled quite a bit in 7-on-7 and individuals, though. Petty's a gunslinger. He trusts his arm a little too much. Sometimes it works, most times it doesn't. He needs to check it down instead of throwing so many 50/50 balls. THE HIGHLIGHTS AND LOWLIGHTS Here are a few plays that stood out on Tuesday. A near interception for quarterback Josh McCown in receiver-cornerback drills. He forced a pass to receiver Lucky Whitehead on a curl, but cornerback Buster Skrine covered it perfectly. Skrine had the ball go through his hands. Quarterback Christian Hackenberg threw an interception in the same drill when he tried to get the ball to receiver Jalin Marshall on a comeback. Safety Marcus Maye ran the route better than Marshall did, and ripped the ball away from him. Hackenberg's second interceptions was probably his worst. In 7-on-7s, he threw a pass to receiver receiver Chris Harper, but he was double covered. Both safety Shamarko Thomas and cornerback Dexter McDougle broke for the ball. McDougle came away for it. Quarterback Bryce Petty connected with receiver Chris Harper for the play of camp. On a seam route, Petty threw the ball over the defender's head. Harper then made a diving one-handed catch. WINNER OF THE DAY None of the quarterbacks looked good, but Josh McCown was the least-bad. He gets the edge. THE SCORECARD McCown: 3 (July 30, 31 | Aug. 1) Hackenberg: 1 (July 29) Petty: 0 ****** If this reporting is anywhere near accurate, then those who say that Petty sucks are flat out wrong. He is the second most accurate QB. He seems to have more poise and know the offense a little better than Hack. The thing that is hurting him is his gunslinger mentality. He needs to learn to check it down and not always throw the ball up. The reports on Hack are encouraging. He's learning and making progress, but still doesn't sound ready to start imo. If Petty can learn to check down and not always throw the ball up or try to force the ball, and if Hack can continue to work on going through his progressions faster and getting the ball out quicker, I think that by the time the preseason games roll around, both Hack and Petty should have passed McCown on the depth chart. He really offers nothing except experience and perhaps is a better game manager. It's not surprising that he knows the offense better since he's played in a similar offense, and as a vet and having played on so many teams and in so many different offenses, he can learn quicker.
The only way to prove that is for Petty to start getting quality reps (which will not happen), or he gets released. History proves that I am not over the top by any stretch and ignoring history has its risks. 4 Qbs in almost 60 years is quite the template. Maybe this present regime can break that audacious streak. The least the FO/CS can do is release the kid so he can possibly start over somewhere else.
Unless this FO/CS proves that it can develop a Qb, history is on my side. Petty would have been better off with an organization with a proven track record of quality Qb play. His shit luck was he got drafted by the Jets. I guess it could have been worse and he got drafted by Cleveland.
He would've been better off playing in the Big 12 conference his whole life. They don't play a lick of defense in that conference and he doesn't have to deal with pesky things like "weather". X-mas Eve last year was his first game he ever played with rain in his life. 0-3, INT, injury. I don't care what organization he went to, if he can't play in a simple thing like rain he's not going to be a successful NFL starter. I think Petty is a career backup QB. And that's not bashing him, that's okay, everyone needs a good backup QB
I continue to be surprised that Petty is considered just a back-up. What is this based on? Admittedly, living where I do, I don't get to see much of the Jets, and haven't seen a lot of Petty, but from what I have seen - including some internet video reviews - I don't see anything that would consign him to "back up" status. How can you judge him like that without taking into consideration the crap he's been surrounded with, especially the OL? Not to mention the crap game "plans" he was given. I'm not saying he's Joe Willie II, or even that he's a FQB, but from what I've seen, he's got the physical tools, and the moxie to be pretty good if he's surrounded with decent talent. Obviously Bowles and the CS have seen him up close, but frankly, I've seen nothing from Bowles that leads me to believe he knows ANYTHING about offense, let alone judging QBs. But if they've already decided that he's not the starter, for his sake I hope he is released and goes to a team that knows how to handles QBs. As for Hackenberg, it sounds like he's making some progress, but is still a ways from being able to play in a real NFL game. I hope he steps it up quickly. Still, it seems like he's been "anointed", and will get every opportunity to succeed/fail, which is what they need to do, but he may well cost them games, and it could get pretty ugly, which will be hard to take. Bottom line: We're right where we knew we would be when they decided to not draft a potential FQB. Time will tell if that was a good decision.
We know what McCown is, so there's no mystery there. The question is whether Bowles will stick to his "player who gives us the best chance to win" philosophy or allow nature to take it's course and try to develop either Petty or Hackenberg. What's scary from the above reports is that neither of these guys has distinguished themselves so far. I think about guys like Wilson in Seattle who got the job because he was better than everyone else in TC. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be happening here.
Well it's still very early yet, so who knows what will happen? Not that I wish anyone to get hurt, but if McCown were injured, that would dramatically change the situation. In fact, if you're a Petty fan, that might be the only way he gets a real shot at showing what he can do, and I again, not wishing for anyone to get hurt, but I kind of want to see this happen. That way it forces the Jets to really look at what they have, and not give Bowles the "out" of "Going with the guy who gives us the best chance to win" crap.
Honestly, I don't think any of these guys will get "hot" all of sudden. If they haven't lit it up by now, I don't think it's going to happen in the next month. Not surprised by Petty, because we saw something of him last year, but I was hoping Hackenberg would be able to clearly forge out in front by now. But as you said in the previous post, none of this should come as a shock to anyone.
I hear you. I don't consider him just as a backup, but seemingly Bowles does and most posters here. I think that stems from several things. First, being a 4th round pick, most people wrote him off anyway. The odds were against him, so many, if not most, wouldn't even consider the possibility that he could be anything other than a backup. Second, the fact that he was a spread QB in college and only started 2 years works against him in most people's minds. The reality that many, if not most, spread QBs at least have a hard time adapting in the NFL and/or don't make it in the NFL. Third is his age. He was a 25 year-old rookie. This is his 3rd season, so he's already 28. Even if he won the starting job, he would probably only have 6-7 years, if that. Conversely, Hack is only 21 and could start for 14 years. Fourth, he has a gunslinger mentality. While that can have great results, it can also lead to a lot of interceptions and risky throws. After Fitz, Geno, Sanchez and the other QBs we've had recently who turned the ball over too much, I think most people are risk averse to a QB who could potentially turn the ball over very much. Fifth, they only focus on the fact that the Jets didn't win much with him starting last year, that he struggled, and turned the ball over too much. They aren't considering the shape of the OL or that most of the Jets players were phoning it in by that point in the season. As cman has pointed out, Petty's not really getting a fair chance in the competition. At first Bowles was saying the number of snaps would even out and that the rotation would change up during TC. Now he's saying he's waiting for someone to force him to change the rotation by stepping up. My thoughts are that he has planned all along to start McCown. If Hack or Petty are going to win the starting job, they're going to have to do it by blowing Bowles away in their more limited opportunities and play mistake free. They have to be confident, poised and get their teammates believing in them.
i don't think we need someone to get hot as much as we just need one of them to keep progressing over the next 3 weeks to the point they are where mccown is, not that he is that far ahead, it just look good n the stat sheet that his dumpoffs are completions. what bothers me is bowles said he will switch up the rotation when of the other guys impresses him. which to me says its mccown's job to lose, regardless of how unimpressive he is, and reports are he is less than impressive. if thats the case,i hardly call that an open competition.
Good analysis, thanks. The one point you mention that I keep overlooking with Petty is his age. That's probably the real issue. In any case, I'm not holding my breath for anything great from the QBs this year.I SO wish they had taken Mahomes! That said, with Bowles as the H.C. they would've screwed him up.
