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I don't think Mac needs Mauldin to show that he knows what he's doing. He's added some very good young talent to the roster already. I agree that it will hurt if Lee doesn't develop, but honestly, I'm not expecting that much out of Mauldin. Mauldin was a 3rd round pick taken in Mac's first draft with the old scouting dept. He's a nice story and seems like a great kid in spite of the circumstances in which he grew up, but I don't think he has the talent/speed to be all that effective. While most 3rd round picks perhaps should become starters, that doesn't mean that they will be as effective as needed, especially at OLB. I think Dylan Donahue or one of the other OLBs on the roster could develop into better players or at least better pass rushers than Mauldin. But that still might not be enough. The Jets may need to invest their #1 or #2 pick to really get the elite pass rusher they want and need.

I could be wrong, of course, but I think that Lee will develop into a quality, play-making LB. I think Jenkins will be a solid, above-average starter. He already sets the edge well and I think will improve in pressuring opposing QBs.

If Lee, Maye, Stewart and Hansen don't develop, then I think you'll have something to talk about regarding Mac, but even then, he's better than any GM we've had over the last 20-30 years, maybe longer.

 

This is all true.
Although it does point to the fact that trading up, even for a king's ransom, can get you two Super Bowls, if you hit it big, as both the Broncos and the Giants achieved.

That said--for all the reasons you point out and more, it's not a good bet. The counter is also relevant here: Neither the Colts nor the Chargers walked away with any SB trophies with their trade loot, so trading down may not be such a great bet, either.

Again it comes down to: The NFL Draft is a Crapshoot. As long as the franchise doesn't try to put all it's eggs in one basket, they'll come out of this great.

 

Here is where my mind is at for this season. We can not assume that the number one pick will guarantee us a FQB. That is a pipe dream. It would certainly increase our chances but that is about it.
There are just too many variables from year to year. With few exceptions we all know that even the number one pick at QB can be a bit of a crap shot. May be the guy we are currently targeting could have a bad year, get hurt, or worst refuse to be drafted by the No. 1 team on the clock.
If Darnold turns out to be someone like Luck, and he has agreed to come out, and play for the Jets, then is all roses. But if the QB pulls an Eli Manning shit show then you are in the middle of a circus. We can leverage a trade for a bunch, improve our team in a number of positions, but we would still not have our QB.
Now, if, for example, Hack shows us during the season that he has what it takes with promise and improvement, and we still get the first/second pick, our options become almost unlimited. If the QB is there we strike, if not, no problem, we make this team better with a superstar on the offense like a RB, WR, LT or the like of a no shit premier, God fearing OLB.. or trade for a ton of picks.
All while knowing that at least we have a QB that can get us close.
This is a pivotal year, and our best option is to see great improvement out of both Petty and Hack. Our worst nightmare is for our Veteran QB to play the whole season.
Number one pick or not, the 2018 draft could turn out to be a disaster or a dream, and is hugely driven by the performance of our young QBs in 2017.

 

This would a the dream come true -- have your FQB on the roster AND command a top pick in a QB-rich draft.
You can rebuild the whole ting in 1 shot...

Not with our fucking luck, of course.

Oh... and F Cimini
and Fuck t*m

 

You attempted to make it seem the #1 pick on a QB does not give any better chance at winning a Super Bowl, as evidenced by you acting as if Eli and Elway were not #1 picks and referring to Eli as a trade. Yes, Eli was acquired via a trade but he was a #1 pick and never played for another team but that trade cost them a lot. Same with Elway. Both teams traded up for the #1 QB because they realized it gives you a much better chance at picking a FQB.

The truth is that #1 QBs do actually give you a much better chance of winning than a QB drafted in the mid to late 1st. Having the #1 pick to spend on a QB means you only have to spend that one pick not multiple #1's plus additional picks. It also means you have your pick of the top QB, not guessing which of the lower tier QBs may work out.

Sure some years there are multiple QBs that may be considered for the #1 pick and if you have a pick in the top 5 you may have a shot at one of them, but if you have the #1 pick you hopefully can draft "The One" rather than hoping teams above you don't snatch your pick.

Now trading for one may seem like the way to go if you want one that has proven their game in the NFL already but then you are talking about $25-$30M a year where if you draft one you can have the first 4-5 years at a steeply reduced rate.

As I already posted, #1 QBs have won 30% of all Super Bowls. Not sure how you can argue against that single fact. Having that #1 means you have the power, having to trade for that #1 be it at draft time or when they go to FA means you are negotiating from a position of weakness, that usually does not work out well even though it did for NY and Denver.

None of this means I support tanking for the #1, I just don't expect the Jets to do well at all this year so if they happen to lose enough to claim the #1 pick then I would be ecstatic that the losing was for a good cause which hopefully gets us the QB of the future in case Hack doesn't hack it.

 

You're confusing the point. For example Elway was a number #1 pick by the Colts, and he won 2 SBs for the Broncos. Exactly how did this help the Colts? How a #1 pick performs for another team has no relevance in determining how well a team did in utilizing it's pick. If the guy was traded away, you can use the trade loot to value against him--that's fair. For example, the Jets picked John Abraham in the 1st round, played him for a few years and traded him to Atlanta. The Jets don't get credit for his sacks in a Falcons uniform, but they do get whatever they traded him for. I'm not taking time to check, but as I recall, we got a pick for him, which we used to take Jonathan Vilma, and maybe something more. So when evaluating how well the Abraham Pick was used, we can look at Abraham's career here, plus whatever we got in trade (but only what they did here, we don't count Vilma's Saint's stats).

So yes, guys who were picked #1 won lots of super bowls. How much did it help the teams that picked them #1? Not much.

You seem to think I hate QBs who are picked #1, and that's not the case. What I'm against here is the very idea of "The One". The idea that the only way to win in this league to magically, luckily, or strategically land on some kind of football messiah.

Yes, I understand that the league today REQUIRES an elite QB for any team to be consistently competitive. The evidence I've presented throughout this tread is not meant to say that Elite QBs are bad, or that high draft picks are bad, or that using high draft picks on potential elite QBs is bad--it is simply meant to illustrate that getting your hopes up that grabbing some hypothetical "The One" in this draft is going to mean the Jets are going to turn into a dynasty is absolute lunacy.

If the Jets don't pick in the top 5, it doesn't mean they're doomed to another decade of mediocrity.
If the Jets pick #1 and it's a hit, it doesn't mean they're going to win 5 Super Bowls.
If the Jets pick #1 and it's a bust.....well, that's pretty bad. But we can come to TGG and bitch about it.

The worst thing that can happen, IMHO, is if the Jets DO pick #1, and DO pick a QB, and DO hit on one that can be an All-Time Great, then rush him on to the field with a shit team, with the weight of all these expectations of being "The One" on his shoulders, and with no patience for him to learn and grow. If we break his body and/or his spirit before he has a chance, the what good does it do to pick the right guy?

Who was the last QB this team developed properly? Chad? Kenny? Namath?

 

Cimini is a piece of crap, who takes advantage of the self inflicting pain Jet fans seem to enjoy.

He wrote since the Ryan era that the team needed to rebuild and they were doing it too slowly. Then they purge this year, and Cimini's title (not verbatim) for the first article the next day is "Jets went too far."

What's the point of reading him? His info isn't that groundbreaking, and he clearly doesn't like the Jets or who runs the team. I could go down the road and walk by 1000 people just like Cimini and his "talent."

 

He'll also quote someone else's article nowadays that's trash click bait bullshit so he doesn't have to own it. He seems to relish it when things go bad, and is an inherently sarcastic, shifty eyed sneaky looking fuck.

 

Sounds like most Jets fans

 

Come on ladies....we are gonna SUCK. And thats fine with me.

 

I wanted to take a second to voice my strong agreement with this post.

It's very possible that for 2017 the Jets LB corps could be right there with the QB rotation and the O-Line in the competition for worst unit on the team. However, while there's little to hope for in the O-line department in 2017 (although Shell and Johnson certainly have potential to grow, I would expect to see that over a longer term, maybe 2018 or 2019), and the QB situation is a total crap shoot, the LB corps has a ton of young potential that could really blossom this year. If one or two of these guys can really step up to the plate, the Jets could be set up for a seriously elite defense in the very near future. That's a very nice asset to help a young QB develop. Not as nice as a monster offensive line, but still nice.

With a monster line in front of them, and what could quickly become one of the best young safety duos in the league behind them, opposing offenses will be gunning directly for these young men. So if they don't step up, they are going to be seriously embarrassed on a regular basis.

 

To answer that question properly, one has to tell when the last time was that the Jets drafted a QB in the first round period, then when is the last time that they drafted one in the first round that had any real potential. In their entire history, the Jets have only drafted 6 QBs in the first round: Sanchez (2009), Pennington (2000), O'Brien (1983), Todd (1976), Joe Willie Namath (1964), and Sandy Stephens (1962). I have never even heard of Stephens before.

Chad was the last one. IMO Sanchez didn't have any real potential to become elite. Before Chad, it was Kenny O'Brien, and before O'Brien, it was Namath. So, only 3 in their history. What can one expect, especially when one considers how awful most of our GMs and HCs have been?

I think that Mac has handled both Petty and Hack in the right way and hasn't rushed or pushed them. Hack wasn't a first round pick, but has a chance. If not, the Jets have a shot to draft another QB in the 1st round next year. If Mac remains our GM, I have every confidence that he would not rush or pressure him, and would do his best to surround him with talent on the field. I suspect the same could also be said about Bowles.

With regards to their other QBs, I can't speak to the potential and/or talent of the QBs they've drafted in other rounds in the early years, but since the 1980s or so, I don't think they've drafted a single QB outside the first round that had any real potential until possibly Hack last year.

In addition to the 1st rounders mentioned above, following are the QBs that the Jets have drafted in their sorry history. (The ones bolded are the only ones I've ever heard of.) Also, what can you expect when the team is drafting QBs in the 6th - 28th round? Those guys have no potential to develop. Pat Ryan was a very good backup, and Matt Robinson had one very good year.

Howard Dyer, 24th round, 1961
Mel Melin, 6th round, 1962
Wilburn Hollis, 13th round, 1962
Bill King, 8th round, 1963
Pete Liske, 15th round, 1963
Ron Vander Kelen, 21st round, 1963
Mike Taliaferro, 28th round, 1963
Dick Shiner, 20th round, 1964
Jerry Rhome, 25th round, 1964
John Huarte, 2nd round, 1965
Bob Schweikert, 4th round, 1965*
Archie Roberts, 7th round, 1965*
Bob Biletnikoff, 17th round, 1967
Al Woodall, 2nd round, 1969
Dave Buckey,12th round, 1976
Matt Robinson, 9th round, 1977
Pat Ryan, 11th round, 1978
Dab Sanders, 11th round, 1979
Ken Hobart, Supplemental Draft, 1984
Bill Ransdell, 12th round, 1987
Troy Taylor, 4th round, 1990
Browning Nagle, 2nd round, 1991
Jeff Blake, 6th round, 1992
Glenn Foley, 7th round, 1994
Chuck Clements, 6th round, 1997
Brooks Bollinger, 6th round, 2003
Brad Smith, 4th round, 2006
Erik Ainge, 5th round, 2008
Greg McElroy, 7th round, 2011
Geno Smith, 2nd round, 2013
Tajh Boyd, 6th round, 2014
Bryce Petty, 4th round, 2015
Christian Hackenberg, 2nd round, 2016

* only recently, and only because someone mentioned that the Jets had drafted 4 QBs the year that they drafted Namath, and then listed them

 

See? Just when you think nobody pays attention.....

 

I'm going out for the Mayweather/McGregor fight, so yeah, I have the extra dough. I was going to go $500 on McGregor until they made it strictly a boxing match. What fun is that??? So instead I'm dropping it on the Jets to win it all!

I'll post a pic of the stub.

 

Nice article, thanks for posting

 

just saw this 314,,,yes a good read and can any of us have high expectations for these linebackers ? I sure hope they surprise / shock us but my glass is half empty , I have very low expectations