Why ? I don't think if Hack turns out poor it costs Mac his job, it is one pick and not a first rounder either, now if he blows a number 1 pick next season on a qb that flops then he will be packing his bags.
Developed? You mean waiting his turn behind a HOF QB, says hi. Big difference between Rodgers and Hack.
I understand the "every pick is a gamble" idea, but most 1st and 2nd round picks start and play in the NFL unless they are drafted too high, or are injured. "Drafted too high", is on the guy who drafts him. Seeing talent and potential in a draft pick isn't and shouldn't be taken so lightly. Hack was drafted too high. You don't blatantly reach for a player like our team did with Hack, especially considering our situation at that time. Aaron Rodgers as an example, could have played right out of the gate. He held a clipboard due to Farve being who and what he was. Rodgers was picked late in the 1st round ( not too many places in front of the position where our team "reached" for hack ) by a team that could have waited a couple years longer before selecting a QB. I have no proof of this but my theory is true I bet..... Hack was reached for by Mac to aid in the negotiations to resign Fitz. It all blew up in Mac's face in the end. If Hack is a bust, and he most likely will be one considering his past and the way he has been handled to this point, Mac should be tossed if he "reaches" on more crap in early draft rounds. It's time his picks bear fruit, not eat payroll for so little production. If you signed the checks for our organization, has Hacks pay been justified? He is the most overpaid clipboard holding inactive QB in the NFL. The redshirt year excuse is over. Play football
Yup. I don't believe anyone said "Hack is the guy". A couple of guys may have been overly excited, and hopeful, at the chance. But anybody else not bashing the pick was just waiting to see with an open mind. But in spite of that we keep getting the condescending lecture to all the Hack backers. Mind you the lectures started off about how the pick was an unmitigated disaster by an idiot, and anybody that didn't start puking didn't know anything about football. But now we're hearing the special conditions needed to be met by Hack to define him. And that the Hack backers need to declare Hack the man. Gtfoh. Like anybody really knows at this point, including the few who declared him a bust after the pick was made. I'm really looking forward to watching how it goes for Hack and will be rooting hard for him to prove the naysayers wrong. Hack will have to win a SB and be a HOFer, with a 75% completion rate this year to shut up the bs tho. It'll never end.
Short of winning us a super bowl or going all pro I don't care what Hack does if we end up at the top of the draft and there's a potential FQB there you take him.
Its been widely reported that Rodgers had a lot of work done on his mechanics and attitude in those three years. So I stand by my statement.
I'm sure he practiced if that's what you mean, but when it was his turn his growing pains were not like Hacks. If Farve gets hurt like Bledsoe did, we would have seen Rodgers much earlier. Not redshirted like Hack due to ineptitude. No comparison at all.
for all the Hack backers who hide behind the "wait and see what he does before writing him off", answer me this...... Did he play well in college when his line supposedly sucked? If you honestly say no he didn't, then what makes you think he will magically transform into a franchise QB because of a year holding a clipboard, and an off season fixing mechanical flaws, followed by a year of experience playing meaningful games? Hell you could do this 3 years in a row and you would still end up where you started, looking for a franchise QB. Why do I say this? I've been saying this for a few years now, our O-line sucks. I guess with all the QB whispering crap I've read, I've somehow lost track of how the game is played and how teams score and win games. "Boozer" is another of the few who has called for our crappy line play to be upgraded for past seasons, while the biggest majority of posters actually believe that QB is our team's biggest inhibitor to being competitive. They also believe that the coaches can turn some screws and poof, Hack may be our QB of the future. If not, well let's tank and pick another college QB next April so we can hand him the keys to the organization. Guess what? If our line isn't rebuilt before then, we will have 3 inexperienced QB's behind a shit line that will all be just like Hack or Petty. Most of the QB whisperers don't even realize the drop off in Fitz play from year 1-2. I didn't enjoy the hiring of him the first year even though he made me eat crow statistically speaking. When the line got worse, it sure as hell did, and it wasn't that good in the first place, what happened? I admit him signing late hurt him, but the combo of the O-line, him not being with the team in the off season, schedule, and him playing like his old self instead of his 1st year with the JETS, brought on a perfect storm. Genoplayed his rookie year and the next behind shit lines. Nacho played his last two behind shit lines. His first two seasons were behind an above average line, and he didn't have to do much but he sucked anyway. Farve the year before played with an above average line under shit coach Mangini, and if he hadn't been so old and ended up injured had us looking like a deep playoff run team. We have had shit for QB's for as long as I can remember, Chad was damaged goods, Vinny sucked but played decent ball under Parcells, and on and on back to Broadway Joe. When we have above average lines, we are competitive. When we don't, we bottom feed and screw shit up for improvement on draft weekend. Dynasty's and teams that are competitive every year base their offenses and defenses around line play. You build off of that first and foremost. You don't waste picks in the second round on project QB's, or draft a college QB in round one with 1-2 years of playing, Nacho/Darnold, without an O-line intact to help prop him up until you find out if he is NFL worthy. Surrounding a Hack, a Nacho, or a Darnold with skill players before an O-line isn't gonna help develope them. That's stupid. They will all three eventually look good in 7 on 7's, but when tackling and the heat comes into play they will shit their diapers full. Nacho did with an above average line and skill players, and without a line and skill players. Geno didn't have any help at all. Fitz, Geno, and Petty had skill players on the team last year, how did that work out without a line? Now we are gonna hand it over to McClown, Petty, and supposedly Hack after a redshirt year, with no line, an over the hill Forte, and a youth movement at all receiver positions? I hope the plan is to go out and draft, buy, whatever, to get an above average line so we can watch Darnold, Petty, and Hack do their best Nacho impersonations? The best thing we could do in next years draft or free agency is to grab a line and either hope our RB's (minus an over the hill Forte) turn into something and/or grab a stud back to help our young QB's. If some football posters on this board believe that any of the QB's we have in the next 2-4 years can be turned into franchise QB's without a Line and a running game, and lead us in a positive direction, then they don't have a clue about offensive football what so ever. In Madden, when I use to play a decade or so ago, I could take an average line with ok skill players or greater, and thrash the computer on all-madden level using 1-2 step drops against the heavy rush and light up a score board. The NFL isn't like Madden. We don't have a fully developed Tom Brady to drop on our team for the next decade and a half. To say we can find one shows stupidity on the behalf of the believers. So when I say that Hack is a bust, considering how well he played under pressure in college, then considering the pressure he will get when playing this year if they let him, if you QB whisperers can't see what's coming, then you must be in love with the guy and not the team. Petty has a better chance of becoming our starter than Hack. He was better in college statistically, and has faced actual 1st string NFL defenses. So yeah, let's see what Hack can do before writing him off. Hahaha I hope he miraculously turns into Dan Marino, but I'm not stupid enough to even consider it, especially given the circumstances. Build your offense around a Line not a Rookie QB, when the line allows the rookie to turn into Tom Brady, then we can build around him. Let's hear it QB whisperers......
No way am I comparing Hack to Rodgers, and I agree with you that Petty is the better prospect. I dont have alot to go on, but I think in limited reps Petty showed toughness, smarts and play making ability. Put a good Oline in front of him and I think he can maybe not get injured right away and develop into something. Hack is an absolute enigma. All we have is tape. Good tape and bad tape. Which is why I have no problem if the Jets chose to roll with Petty this year and keep Hack in development. He's only 22. As for Rodgers, here is a pretty good article with lots of quotes from him saying those three years on the bench were crucial to him becoming a better player. http://mmqb.si.com/2014/12/11/nfl-a...dman-the-making-of-modern-quarterbacks-the-qb. But he had the benefit of watching Favre, not Fitz or McKown. So he had that going for him...
They have delusions of grandeur. They think they're smarter/more knowledgeable than the rest of us or than the professionals in the NFL. It's hilarious actually reading their babbling BS.
So Rodgers refined a skill set he was already able to play right away? No need though as he waited his turn. Nuances and throwing mechanics are not the same. Rodgers learned hall of fame shit from Farve, not general technique like Hack still needs. Big big difference. The 49ers fucked up that year by not drafting Rodgers. He is a special QB, totally unlike Hack. Still no comparison.
Why do you think I'm making comparisons? You asked what QB was served by sitting on the bench? I gave you Rodgers. I copied an article where he said so himself. As a fan of the Jets, I'd like to see Hack develop into a quality starter, but I have about as much knowledge of where he is on the learning curve as you do right now, which is none. It doesnt take a genius to predict a Jet QB will fail in this league. In fact, most QB's fail, not just the Green and White variety. The odds are high that both Petty and Hack dont become quality starters. But I'd rather the Jets actually try to develop QB's, rather than throw a Sanchez or Geno out there and be a laughingstock. And I believe if the Jets drafted Rodgers they would have thrown him out on the field as their franchise savior, talking him up as the second coming of Joe Willie, and he would have suffered the typical rookie mistakes and been destroyed either by the media or his weak oline. Then either off the Jets or out of the league.
Wow, that is quite sad, so much scorn not only at fellow fans but on an untried kid, fancy some fans wishing the kid well and hoping he can show us something, it will be so much better if we were all like you and just posted him some hate and maybe he would fuck off back to where he came from or try out at baseball, the poor guy, trying to live his dream but damned before he has even taken a snap. For every one of you moaning negative fuckers I hope with everything I have that he comes on and actually delivers something, it would be funny to see you fucking squirm, call yourselves supporters, you don't know the meaning of the word.
I defined why he would fail, yet you still have this retarded concept that I don't like the guy personally. And you don't see the issue, and doubt my support. Sounds personal to me, from you. I'm sure proving me wrong would make you happy, but I'm not concerned. I want the team to win. You and others wanna pretend to be QB whisperers, talking a bunch of crap that isn't helping the team. Why wait to find out what he can do? You realize he is a project? a wasted 2nd round pick? Why pick something so flawed with such a valued pick? Only a pretend QB mechanic thinks picking him was logical.
None of us are talking crap, all we have said is give the lad a chance and what the fuck is a QB whisperer is it some kind of dig at people who may want to actually see the lad take the field and either deliver or not, that is the point at the end of the day, you are so closed minded that he has failed before he has taken the field and that quite frankly is pathetic. Hack was thought the same level as the current love in for Darnald after 1 year, you do remember that he was running a pro offence as a freshman and quite successfully, it is that that made Hack look a good project, the last two years are basically scrapped due to the fact his coach did nothing to help him and the team had been stripped of supporting talent. Really, fuck me what kind of cretin are you ? It would make me happy, if you are wrong OUR team has a QB that way, it isn't about being right or wrong at the end of the day. And finally... What do you guys get out of arguing against one of our own players ? I could understand if you came along and said "nah, he is shit and isn't for me" and then fucked off but you want to argue on just how crap he is, we understood your dislike of him from your first post, you have absolutely no need to keep on with your bile.
Why will the kid fail? He doesn't have the team around him to support a project player. I hope he is Dan Fucking Marino, but I'm not that stupid. It's not personal, but the idea of grabbing QB's till we find a Marino, is totally stupid. You don't build around QB's that are projects, you integrate them into a team. The cart before the horse doesn't work.
I guess the colts should have passed on manning then considering how bad they were. Look, if you can set it up to have a team waiting on a young qb that's great but, the time to take a qb is when he is the bpa and you are otc. Whether hack was or not is another debate.but there was nothing wrong with his philosophy
How many arguments are you trying to have in that one post ? I will try and pick my way through this tricky minefield 1 by 1 1 What do you call anybody else that has been drafted ? They are all in some way shape or form projects but we will let that slide and go direct to Hackenberg, This season we have a choice to play either him Mccowan or Petty, the later two have are not the answer, we jus tdo not know what Hack has got and that is what we keep telling you, it doesn't matter that you think he is a bust or that he is crap or that the OL is rubbish, one of those three has to play, it may as well be the one with the most promise. 2 Why do you have label it stupid ? Not one person has called him Dan Marino, I task you with finding a poster that has issues such a bold claim, but don't bother as nobody said it, as for grabbing QB's until we find Marino being stupid, I agree, I know let's give Hack a chance to show us what he can do, nice to see you coming around so quickly btw. 3 Well currently we don't have a team, we are trying to build a team for the future, so we can't integrate anybody into something we don't have but again I am not sure how this is Hackenbergs fault, he has the audacity to be drafted in round 2 by the Jets, he came in got red shirted and he has done whatever he was expected to do last year, if that was to sit in a classroom and learn the playbook inside out then I am sure a guy with the smarts like Hack will have learned the playbook inside out, we will see when he eventually takes the field be that on match day one or whenever they decide to dump McCowan. So after all of that I am still unsure why you have such a downer on Hack, he hasn't done anything to deserve the treatment being dished out by you and a couple of others, if he opens up with a quadruple interception debut then feel free to pop back and slag him off some more at least he will have done something to get your back up properly.
So I guess you are in favor of playing him this season? Then why not last if so? All early draft picks aren't projects, Carr in Oakland says Hi, for one. Do you believe that during this coming season Hack will show any indicators as the QB of the future? If so, get real. He had more of a team to work with last year, but held a clipboard. What are you reaching for. He is going to go out there and look like an ass hat, so why did we draft him in the first place? You are mentioning only what you want without consideration of the things I've said previously about the team or him. Deserve treatment by me and others? Do you think he gives a shit? If so then he is too fragile mentally to play football period.
