There's a difference between accuracy and completing passes. Accuracy is about right time, right place and your receiver not having to make a huge adjustment to complete the catch. Anyone can quote completion percentages to make their point.
Carson Palmer was at 59.1% completion percentage in college. 55.3%, 54.9%, 58.6% and 63.2%, I didn't list the year he was injured since it was only 53 attempts but it is included in the total.
I'm not denying the team needed to be gutted...it's been long over due. The point I'm making is I don't see them actually thinking either of these guy's is a #1 going into next season otherwise why not put some weapons around them to help them succeed. My guess is Petty and Hack are auditioning to be next seasons backup once we draft the next Sanchise
I included Hackenbergs Freshman stats at the way bottom and Actually his 58.9% ranked him 8th in the Big 10 in 2013 with 5 of the top 10 in the 50's. As seen below 50's are very common in college and low 60's is still considered the benchmark good with lots of college QB stats being inflated due to easy read - easy completion systems, Hackenberg played in that really bad Pro-Style Multiple System in 2014 & 2015. I included % and QB Rating. The number ranking was given by ESPN. 2015 Big 10 1--Nate Sudfeld,---IND--60.0--151 2--Connor Cook,---MSU--56.1--136.6 3--Tom Armstrong Jr.,-NEB--55.2--128.6 4--Jake Rudock,--MICH--64.0--141.5 5--C.J. Beathard,--IOWA--61.6--139.5 6--Wes Lunt,--ILL --56.1--111.5 7--Mitch Leidner,--MINN--59.5--121.1 8--Joel Stave,--WIS--60.8--125.7 9--Chris Hackenberg,--PSU--53.5--123.9 10-Chris Laviano,--RUTG--60.9--131.8 11-David Blough,--PUR--57.7 --108.6 12-Clayton Thorson,--NW--50.8--95.9 13-Cardale Jones,--OSU--62.5--141.5 14-Austin Appleby,--FLA--57.5--113.6 2015 ACC 1--Deshaun Watson,--CLEM--67.8--156.3 2--Brad Kaaya,--MIAMI--61.2--142.1 3--Marquise Williams,--UNC--61.2--150.2 4--Matt Johns,--UVA--61.3--127.8 5--Jacoby Brissett,--NCST--60.0--130.3 6--Thomas Sirk,--DUKE--58.8--119.0 7--Nathan Peterman,--PITT--61.5--138.6 8--Lamar Jackson,--LOU --54.7--126.8 9--John Wolford,--WAKE--60.9.--128.8 10--Everett Golson,--FSU--67.1--149.2 11--Michael Brewer,--VT--58.3--137.9 12--Sean Maguire,--FSU--59.3--139.7 13--Justin Thomas,--GT--41.7--119.4 Big 10 2013 1--Nat Scheelhaase,--ILL --66.7--140.7 2--Devin Gardner,--MICH--60.3--146.1 3--Chris Hackenberg,--PSU--58.9--134.0 4--Connor Cook,--MSU--58.7--135.5 5--Nate Sudfeld,--IND--60.2 --142.0 6--Joel Stave,--WIS--61.5--138.1 7--Jake Rudock,--MICH--59.0--126.5 8--Trevor Siemian,--NW--59.7--126.4 9--Braxton Miller,--OSU--63.5--158.1 10-Danny Etling,--LSU--55.8--116 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
regarding accuracy - most receivers have a window from the knees to an arms length above the head and outside the body. Now not everything thrown in this area is gonna get caught because u are dealing with 2 moving forces (ball and player) QB accuracy is looked at in several ways - wild high, wild low, throws far in front, throws far behind, etc etc. these are the easy measurables and mostly result in incomplete passes and interceptions. but the real detail is taken from the accuracy of the COMPLETED passes..... how much does the receiver have to break stride, does he have to slow down, leave his feet, bend, reach back??? I would imagine teams have multiple data sets for their QB's and their tendencies when completing passes.
Well, you could be right, but I think they do have some weapons with which their QBs can work. Your point about having some weapons around the young QBs to help them succeed is the reason I initially thought that Decker should be retained. Evidently, the Jets feel comfortable enough with their young receivers and TEs that they didn't see the need to keep him. They must have thought the extra reps and opportunities that they would get with Decker gone would help speed their development. They didn't have cap space to be big players in FA and bring in any outside "weapons." Enunwa is solid. Anderson is emerging. ASJ has looked great so far this offseason and has tons of talent. Powell and Forté are solid, proven pass catching backs and can be effective running the ball. They may not be as proven, but they have Peake, J. Marshall, A. Stewart, Hansen and Leggett who have shown a lot of promise. Why not let them grow together and develop chemistry? Why waste cap space on an older player who won't be here next year? In addition, Decker may not be as healthy as we thought, or perhaps as several posters pointed out, once players can start hitting and getting hit, perhaps they worried about Decker's ability to stay healthy. I can understand their thinking. In an ideal world, I'd have preferred to have some better players/veterans around to help the young QBs, but we know the Jets are not an ideal situation. Rarely does anything work out the way it is supposed to. Finally, the Jets may be hedging their bets. While they believe in Hack and/or Petty, they're not gonna put all their eggs in one basket. I think they're gonna wait and see if one or both steps up and plays really well this season and gives them confidence that he can be the "guy" going forward. If so, great. If not, they should be in good position to be able to draft a QB in next year's draft. Having a couple of veterans might have had them winning an extra game or two and that might have been enough to knock them out of position for the best QB or top 2-3 QBs in next year's draft.
You know, I was told that, Johnny Morton is going to install this offensive package called [West Coast Offense]. In that offensive system, I was told that, the ball should be delivered at a certain height. Ya know, that happens to be around the numbers, so that, 1. the receivers don't have to make a lot of adjustments and 2. because of that, the receivers can start [running after catch.] I was also told that, RACs are a big part of WCO. ======================================================== Enough jokes. I am actually a bit torn in this respect. Personally, I don't like WCO all that much. There is just too many verbiage that QB and [the entire offense] must munch through at each huddle. [I believe some saw what WCO terminology brings to the table from my previous postings.] On the other hand - it doesn't take a hard thrower at QB to flourish. So if the scouting dept can locate a smart QB that can't make, say, these "NFL" throws, then WCO will still allow that kid to flourish no matter what, effectively nullifying the need for that top pick at QB. [Joe Montana, who I consider to be the GOAT, was a 3rd rounder himself.] As long as the kid works on his mechanics and strength program, his ball speed [WILL] increase. Don't look any further than Foxboro - Brady was not known for a hard thrower coming out of Michigan. These days, when he rifles intermediate passes, his balls travel at whopping 60+ mph, much faster than many other [hard-throwing] QBs currently playing in the NFL. [I believe the average is about 52; hard throwers like Flacco can deliver a strike at 57~58 range.] Last, but not the least - Okay. Montana is not a QB of our generation, but whatever. His career completion ratio as an NFL passer is a 63.2%. He dipped below 60% mark only twice in his entire career; in his rookie season, and in '88, when he posted 59.9%. [That's as good as 60%, in my eyes.] Now - his college days? Modest 42.4%, 52.4% and 54.2%. My point? While looking at completion ratio as a college passer [MIGHT] have some meaning, in the grand scheme of all things, it is effectively MEANINGLESS.
This might be the most premature thread ever done on TGG. There is no way anyone can meaningfully predict what Hack's accuracy is going to be in the NFL. As a true freshman playing in a pro system in college, he was one of the most impressive young QBs in the college game. Then he played with a disastrous Oline ahead of him, played for an idiot coach who damaged his mechanics, in a bad offensive system and with virtually no talent left on his team after the NCAA suspension. There's no way anyone can make meaningful predictions here - if you think you can then you're in the wrong business - you should be a professional fortune teller or gambler. The Jets FO thought he had potential and could be coached into a franchise QB. Maybe they're right and maybe not - we won't know for a while yet. Frankly, the reports out of OTAs have been encouraging. You should be seeing him flash periodically and make some mistakes (throw interceptions, etc.). That's exactly what we're seeing. They should let him start this year and then see what he can do and, if he can learn from his mistakes (something neither Sanchez nor Geno were ever able to do).
70%, most spread qbs have high comp%. If you are in a spread and can't complete passes you probably won't be in the NFL.
Around 65% his 1st 3 years and then up over 71% his last year. Some college systems just facilitate a higher completion percentage , like the shotgun spread offense, with many dump offs to Tavon Austin, that Geno had.
That's not what I'd aspire to be, either, but Carson Palmer is better than any every QB we've had in our history aside from Joe Namath, Ken O'Brien, and Chad Pennington. I don't really count Brett Favre because he was never really a Jet. He just used us for a year so he could go play for Minny.
As a prospect there are a ton of things in which i absolutely love about Christian Hackenberg. • Great size at 6'4/228lbs (think Tom Brady). • Super strong arm strength (Jay Cutler/Aaron Rodgers like). • Very high I.Q of the position in terms of being a brain upstairs (X's & O's wise). • Played for a historically big time college football program in Penn State. • Playing experience within Northeastern Football Weather (PSU). • Coached up by Bill O'Brien during his Freshman year all while learning and gaining experience at reading defenses at the line of scrimmage, audibling in and out of plays, making offensive line adjustments and calling for hot reads (all pre-snap). • Ran an NFL type of complex offense as only a Freshman under Bill O'Brien and was able to fully absorb, comprehend, learn and understand NE's playbook (inside out) @ an early age. • Impressed under Bill O'Brien during his Freshman year and also flourished while alongside of a true #1 WR on the outside in Allen Robinson, so much so; where he was rated & ranked as the Nation's #1 QB prospect heading into his Sophmore season. What i love most, is that he's already lived through, survived and experienced Football adversity. And below I'll explain. He lost both his head coach and #1 WR to the NFL after his Freshman season in Bill O'Brien and Allen Robinson. He lost many of his teammates after his Freshman season (including his entire starting offensive line) due to PSU being punished and sanctioned by the NCAA. • But yet he still showed lots of character, leadership qualities and an overall fighting heart throughout the entire process. He refused to quit like many of his teammates before him. He could've transfered to any school within the Country but instead, decided to stick it out. All while... The NCAA fined his school $60 million dollars, imposed a four-year postseason ban on Penn State football, significantly reduced the number of scholarship players that his team could field over the next four years, placed the program on probation for five years and also enabled any current or incoming player to transfer and play immediately without restriction (ala loss of his entire O-Line). You see. It's easy to "look at" and harp all over his NCAA "completion percentage" during his final two seasons of play while @ PSU... without looking at the big picture. But you see. There is not a single college QB within the Nation who would've (or could've) impressed with accuracy and/or completion percentages. Not under those situations and circumstances. At least not while and/or after... A.) Losing both your head coach & #1 WR. B.) Being without a true #1 WR. C.) Playing behind an awful, horrible, makeshift, distarious and horrendous O-Line. Kid got beat the fk up behind that mess. And... D.) All while your program in which your quarterbacking behind is being punished & sanctioned by the NCAA. Sorry. But it's just not happening. Which is why I've always ignored and rolled my eyes at the one's who point out his "college completion percentage" without mentioning all of and/or any of the above. Does the kid need to work on and improve his mechanics and accuracy? Of course. I mean. Think about it. Which NFL Rookie or raw 2nd year player wouldn't need to work on and improve upon their mechanics and accuracy? There's really nothing new here. But this Hackenberg kid has qualities from within in which you can not teach. Great size. Strong arm. A brain upstairs (X's & O's wise) and also shows character, leadership ability and heart under (and during) less than ideal situations (Penn State being punished). Etc. Look. If you're going to attempt to write off his potential and/or NFL career due to "accuracy" based off of "college box-scores" and/or "completion percentages"? Well then, please explain Hackenberg's full story in regards to PSU's big picture at the same time. Because if not? You're then only and simply sounding like nothing more than an ESPN talking tool while doing so.
