If Pagano was the next Jets head coach, I would feel particularly bad, since I am assuming that we will be getting a potential franchise QB in the 2018 draft, and Pagano has already shown that he can't do much, even with a potential franchise QB I would also feel bad that we have a very high pick in the draft and $80m in cap space, and the best coach we can get to come here was Chuck Pagano. The reason I am all in on this tanking business is because I am anticipating that the high draft pick and cap space will enable us to make a splash for a real big-time offensive coach (Sean Payton?) so, no thanks to Pagano
A tree stump would be better then Bowles, and I'm not sure Pagano is much better then a tree stump...Stop with these retread failures.
Wait, I'm not sure. Is Jesus available? If not and the scenario you describe does unfold, then yes Chuck Pagano is the man. Unless Harbaugh gets fired from Michigan... Why are we wasting time on this?
Jesus is a warm weather guy..that said he'd love to have a piece of Lucifer Kraft & Damien Bellicheat..bares watching
Ok thx for the clarification. Your point of view is emotionally based, which I fully understand being a frustrated Jets fan myself. I just wouldn't want the team to make a major decision with an emotional fan rationale. Changing for the sake of change seems like a rudderless tail chasing exercise to me. I'd rather they start improving what hasn't been working. For sure we need a good OC. Let's see what Morton has to offer. And regardless of HC and OC, the GM has to start hitting on draft picks more consistently, and most importantly needs to find a QB. That's been the biggest problem, not which side of the ball the HC has the most history with.. Pressure's on Mac imo......I hope he can deliver.
You're welcome. Am I frustrated? Yes, but my point of view is only partially emotionally based. Looking at it with cool-headed logic, tells me much the same thing. The facts are that the Jets have hired 6 successive guys to be their HC who were defensive coaches and only the first of those 6 had HC experience. The facts are that with those former defensive coaches as HC, the emphasis has almost always been on defense and getting players to fit that coach's system. That's what has happened with the Jets through all those HCs and 3 different GMs. Now it partially wouldn't have been so bad if those GMs had been better at their job, maybe they'd have gotten around to thinking about the offense by now, but maybe not. It would have been the same kind of thing if we had had 6 successive offensive coaches hired as HC and they had ignored the defense. We need balance. That's from a rational, logical perspective. If something isn't working, you change it. As we all know, one of the definitions of insanity is to keep doing things the same way and yet expect a different result. This team may have driven me nuts, but I'm not insane. If Bowles and the team doesn't show major improvement he must go, and it's time for a change. It's not about change just for the sake of change. We've seen what Bowles weaknesses/failings are, and to date, he's done absolutely nothing to change or improve those failings. He's still being slack on discipline and accountability. Today's NFL is a passing league, and to win consistently, one must have a quality starting QB and a very good offense (playmakers and talent around that QB). If we have any hopes of becoming a truly competitive team with a chance of getting to and winning a SB, we must start placing major emphasis on the offense, on finding that QB, of building a strong OL, and surrounding that QB with weapons. Yes, pressure is on Mac. His draft picks need to start developing and making major contributions. I believe they will if put in a position to succeed by Bowles, and if the game plans and accountability are there.
I think there's a difference between a former DC & a "defensive guy". The Jets have hired defensive guys over & over again that continually flood the roster w. defensive draft picks to fit whatever flavor of the month scheme they swear by while the offensive cupboard goes bare. Additionally, they are severely outdated w. their overall philosophy particularly offensively.The whole "win w. defense,run the ball, don't turn the ball over" only works against bad teams but these "defensive guys" are way too stubborn to embrace bringing the offense into the 21st century. Rex Ryan & Bowles as of last season didn't even talk to offensive personnel & only attended offensive meetings when they were called out for NOT doing it. So that's 2 regimes in a row now where any offensive prospect the team has in house has had extremely limited interaction or perspective from a head coach. In a scoring league how is this anything close to prudent?
Well said. And this is why I was - am - so frustrated that Bowles wasn't fired at the end of the season. Why waste any more time on him? The only reason I can see is that Macc and Woody knew that this year is going to be a throw away year, and there was no top HC candidate available, so why not just let Bowles hold the fort down and then let him go? Still, I would've preferred firing him.
Unless Bowles is horrific this season, I want this coaching staff to stay together. I have yet to be impressed by Bowles however I feel good about most of the supporting staff. A new defensive coordinator perhaps...
We should go grab Marty Schottenheimer out of retirement. His last season with the Chargers he was fired they went 14-2! How's that for appreciation. Lol. Not being serious but damn how to you get fired with a 14-2 record.
I think he point was, bring in a rookie HC people will bitch, bring in a retread coach people will bitch, people are going to bitch no matter what the team does..
It is sarcasm. He's saying that some posters don't want a rookie, learn-on-the-job HC and others don't want a re-tread. That doesn't leave many (any) possibilities for HC of the Jets. He's saying that Jets fans are split and we're nuts, and of course, he's right. If we weren't nuts, we wouldn't still be fans of the Jets after all these years.
Oh well then I agree with you both 100% lol...thanks for clearing that up Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Marty was fired because he, or his teams almost always choked in the playoffs. He was one of the best HCs during the NFL season in NFL history, but maybe the worst in the playoffs. I didn't remember his teams ever having won a single playoff game, but decided I had better look it up. They did. He won 5 playoff games in his career, but lost 13. He spent 10 years as HC of the Chiefs. During that time, his teams went 8-7-1, 11-5, 10-6, 10-6, 11-5, 9-7, 13-3, 9-7, 13-3, and 7-9. They had 10 playoff games during that span, and won only 3, and 2 of those were in 1993. His last coaching job was with the Chargers. In his 3 years there, they went 12-4, 9-7, and then 14-2. His team made the playoffs his first and last years with them, but lost their first playoff game both times. We have been so bad in our history that there was a time I really wanted him as Jets' HC. Just to have had winning seasons and to have been a solid football team with a chance of making the playoffs would have been a welcome change. I think he would have been the ultimate tease or heart-breaker, however. He would have made us all believe that we were going to get to and win another SB, and then just disappointed us.
