Maccagnan with Francesa today

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  1. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    yup, mixing up coverages behind a good 4 man rush is the only way to stop him. when rex beat him it was confusing looks and a career day from ellis.
     
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    Big time interception by Harris in coverage too, that play set the tone big time. Clustered the middle of the field.

    EDIT - To add, the Steelers look at how good their 3-4 has been against Brady. In six games in his career against the Tomlin-led Steelers, Brady has 1,889 passing yards, 19 touchdowns, and no interceptions.
     
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  3. Br4d

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    People think the 3-4 is a passing defense but it's really a run defense. It became popular in the 70's when the biggest threats were running backs. It was designed to stop guys like Earl Campbell from gaining the edge and running over a cornerback and going for 40 yards.

    The picket fence design with 3 main points of contact was to prevent teams from effectively controlling the line of scrimmage in the run game with double teams and traps. The OL could do whatever they wanted and it wasn't going to mean much with two loose tacklers in the middle of the field and a bigger LB to set each edge.
     
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    The Jets, Ravens and Broncos have all taken the P*ts out in the playoffs in recent years.

    It's not the formation. The 3-4 is a superior D imo, but can't stay vanilla against Belichick in any formation, or he'll pick it apart in second half.
    Need to be versatile, and show a lot of different looks in subpackages.
     
  5. 1.Mix up coverages
    2. 4 man rush w. a good push
    3. Rattle his cage acouple times
    4.(Most important of all) Tackling- Patriots do alot of damage after the catch w. their short area guys...tackle them where they catch it...make them fight to move the chains...minimize the big plays. Yes they'll still put up some points...but if the O is doing their part..you have a chance late in the 4th..
     
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    But it's not the running game that's killing the Jets, it's their inability to stop the passing game. A 4-3 "D" can certainly be effective at stopping the run and the pass, and it has the major advantage of being able to find the players to fit it.

    That said, I don't see Bowles changing, and that's another reason why I think he needs to go.
     
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    Bowles runs so much stuff I don't understand how you don't see him changing. We've played the Pats well his two years here.
     
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    Hmmm. How well? The last game I remember was a 41-3 loss; by far the worst instead of the best if he was changing for the better. Spin that one please.
     
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    I meant that I don't see him changing from his 3-4 scheme. And I already explained why IMO this is a very difficult defense to execute well, heavily dependent on having LBs who possess a rare combination to be able to be fast, strong, and agile. And even then, a great QB like Brady can pick it apart. And that's if it's done well, which in the Jets case, it hasn't been under Bowles.
     
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    I agree .. I think they do calculate need into their selections but Maccagnan is purposely vague and also to not vocally dismiss a current player's value.
     
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    Exactly, you can't stay in vanilla. With this Bowles defense, I don't really call it a 4-3 or a 3-4.

    The Broncos don't run a true 3-4 with Von Miller, they run multiple fronts. Ravens you have a point. However, they are now running 4 man fronts now as well.

    Giants are a true 4-3 team, same with the Falcons whom were close to winning the SB. Both got great interior pressure. Personally, I always think of the 3-4 as a run based defensive dominate front, but when it comes to rushing the passer, I always preferred the 4-3 because you can just rush 4 and put everyone in coverage. 3-4 linebackers in coverage, meh can create mismatches.
     
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    Those LB mismatches hurt .. Lee is hopefully better in coverage this year as Bowles is banking on his speed and versatility. The resigning of Carter also demonstrates his need of versitle LB's that can cover. The two new safeties should help in the short passing game as well, but we all know it takes some rookies well into late 1st season to 2nd season to really acclimate, but could they be worse then last years group?!
     
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    Lee, definitely needs to put himself in better position to make plays. He's there with the TEs and RBs but just needs to finish the play. Jimmy G the TE from Seahawks really put in work, but Lee was right there to make the play, just amazing throws from Wilson. I think he will be better in due time.

    Bruce Carter's best years was in a 4-3 defense. Lee came from a 4-3 defense. Personally, I don't think the secondary could get any worse then where it was last year. Communication should be better despite having 2 rookies potentially starting. Talent is definitely upgraded. The question is, does Bowles leave the CBs on an island?
     
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    A lot of scouts had Tim Williams as second behind Myles Garret, but I can't disagree that he was risky to take high, given his off the field concerns. The talent is there, but he went to the Ravens, who have a more stable organization. With concerns like his, NY would not have been the best place for him.
     
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    Precisely. A lot of scouts have Adams as a Sean Taylor/Ed Reed kind of guy. Hard to justify passing up on that kind of upside. Even then, Calvin Pryor & Gilchrist were so bad last year that taking Adams and Maye 1 & 2 is hard to argue against.
     
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    Exactly, I don't care what or who but IMO his schemes start with competent CB play. Shoot at least one of the starters needs to .. If they need constant help it really takes away from his plans. If they can give ample time for the Dline to generate pressure, it opens everything up. Throw in a decent edge rush and we are really in business. The first game last season against the Bengals is a good example of Dline pressure, until we saw the start of what would be our Achilles Heal.
     
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    Williams would have been drafted during the Tanny/Rex regime .... Where there's a sign leading to the field stating:
    "Leave your weapons in the locker room .. they are not .. I repeat .. NOT .. allowed on the field anymore!
     
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    Yep....he would have fit right in with a Rex locker room....there's a reason why he's a TV anchor now
     
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    I liked both the Bama backers. Anderson jumped out on tape as much or more than Williams.
     
  20. grkmanga31

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    That bama defense was stacked!
     

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