He was at 58.9% his freshman year and if he'd grown from that he would have been a real prospect. Instead he declined to 55.8% with just 6.2 yards per pass attempt (lots of dump offs) to 53.5% his Junior year and then he fled Penn State for the NFL despite the downwards trend. Odds are pretty long against him recovering now but if a really good WCO is installed and the line can hold up in it he has a shot. Not a good shot but not no chance at all either.
Yes, that's when O'Brien left Penn State and things transitioned to a new system that was less QB-friendly. In order for Hack to recover he's going to need to be in a very QB-friendly offense with a lot of help from his friends on the line and in the backfield. If ever a guy called for a rookie bubble in his first year starting Hack is that guy. Run the ball a lot. Pass on 1st down instead of 3rd down. Take the 4-and-outs as the lesser of two evils in the process but keep him from facing heavy pressure in a passing situation whenever you possibly can. The WCO can do that but I'm not sure the Jets backs are up to the task of carrying the ball 500+ times next year. It would be a modified WCO with more ground in it than usual but the short passes on 1st down would be pure WCO. It's the traps on 2nd down and the draws on 3rd down that would be a bit off.
Jets coming off 10-6 with Fitzpatrick and Hack being a rookie is the reason he didn't play last year. Add the fact that that also needed to see what Petty might be.
Look, i dont need flashy playmakers.... im even ok taking adams if they felt he was much better then any offensive player available which is probably the case... but how about a Tackle? how about the second round? Do we really need to keep going defense in 2 out of every 3 rounds every draft? I like adams and Maye. but at some point we need to address the offensive line and get a skil player or QB
I agree with you about the oline, from the jets perspective they feel they did address the oline. They believe Winters is much improved, Beachum was their answer to the void at LT, and Schell is their answer at RT. Was their anyone who they would have drafted that would have automatically been a plug and play OL with the 2nd round pick? I'm sure if Cam would have fallen to them, they probably would have drafted him. While I'm not besides myself with excitement for the 2 safety's, I'm all in on BPA, it is a strategy that works. How do you feel about the Alabama WR they selected? I wanted them to select Chris Godwin from Penn State, I feel he would have been seen the field a lot this year.
thats not how i look at it... i dont need a plug and play lineman. but i need someone who will eventually be a long term solution instead of a carousel of retreads and cant-hack-its. BPA is nice until you end up overinvested in dline and safety, the day comes when those guys need to get paid and you still have no LT/QB/CB/Edge rusher and those are all high pricetag positions. eventually shelly or mo probablt need to go. and then BPA doesnt seem so great anymore. if the BPA is a place you are loaded, trade down or trade out. I can understand loading up at premier positions. you can build an elite defense with edge rushers or elite offense with tackles.
I think Adams was that much better than any of the offensive players, so I was extremely happy (ecstatic, even). Fournette was the only one close imo. I would like some flashy playmakers, and believe that we will add some in future drafts. Regarding the OT position, there wasn't a topflight LT prospect. Ramczyk and Bolles were the top two, and in any other normal draft where there are several top LT propects, they probably would have been mid-to-late 2nd round picks, and may have even been 3rd round picks. Ramczy was coming off of a major injury and had one year of starting experience at the major college level. Bolles is 25 already. Why use a high draft pick on a player who is already 25? Ramczyk may be worth using a 2nd round pick on, but evidently either the Jets' scouts and Mac didn't think so, or they thought other players were better. I was a little surprised they didn't opt for Antonio Garcia, Roderick Johnson, or Julie'n Davenport, but again it appears that the Jets didn't think they were that good or that much of a need. We'll see in time if they were right. We'll see if Garcia develops with the Pats, Johnson with the Browns, and Davenport with the Texans, and how soon they see the field.
I think this years draft was loaded with a lot of defensive players. That's why so many teams reached on what they felt were skilled offensive players, figuring there was plenty of depth on defense. Maybe next year there will be a plethora of offensive skilled players and OLB. If Hack works out, the jets will not address the QB position and can go ahead and draft a LT since everyone believes they will have a high draft pick again.
Agreed, along with your own philosophies, you draft according to the drafts strengths and weaknesses. As you mentioned above, the Jets also did address the OL in free agency. I personally didn't like Adams at first, I thought he was Pryor 2.0. Though after watching more of his film and reading about what he brings to the locker room in terms of the new culture we want to establish ... it was a great selection. Then we select Maye, again, after thinking about it, great selection. A poster(I forget who) joked and posted ("what are we gonna go with a 2-2-7 formation defensively?"). Actually Bowles did do just that with the Cardinals successfully, having 3 safeties on the field at one time. Bowles defense really comes into its own with versatile DB's, and having interchangeable Safeties with Adams & Mayes skill sets, on paper, can really boost this defense. With the poor play of Pryor and Gilcrests injury, the selections made even more sense. The Jets were getting burnt deep on broken coverages, not to mention poor communication and tackling. As far as addressing the edge, Rex Ryan's and Todd Bowles defenses have many similarities. One of those similarities is that having a Name Brand Edge Rusher is not a necessity. One of the concepts of both defenses is disguising pressure and manufacturing blitzes. The Name Brand Defensive Back is the priority not the Edge. Of course adding one would be nice but not a necessity. Finding a situational Edge Rusher or Pass Rushing Specialist can be done without drafting high in the premium rounds. Versatility is the key and obviously Bowles didn't inherit enough board pieces to his defenses style of play. Ryan's pieces were taught read and react, were Bowles pieces do the exact opposite. If Bowles gets a good showing from a healthy Morris Claiborne and the rest of the CB stable, especially Juston Burress, watchout. I believe the OL will be addressed if and where needed next draft and free agency, along with the CB position. You cannot have enough quality CB's. The war room did draft two Bowles prototype CB's in Clark 6'3" and Jones 6'2" and if they contribute like Burress did, could free up more draft slots to address other needs. If Pettenberg can step up and we can trade down on next years 1st round pick, we can really add more pieces to the puzzle.
If you're correct about the bold (and I think that you are), I think that Bowles and Rex are morons. I totally disagree with this approach. Blitzes usually don't work for long or consistently. They work against some teams, but not others. Teams figure them out. If that's the premise they're operating under, then this team is doomed, and Bowles needs to go ASAP. Elite CBs and mediocre OLBs have gotten this team nowhere. I expect nothing from either Clark or Jones. They may be tall, but they're slow and will get beaten all day long. We'll need both Adams and Maye to keep the team from getting beaten deep constantly. I'm much less optimistic about Bowles' schemes and coaching than you are.
Kinda rough to say Clark and Jones are going to get beat all day long without even seeing them play. Actually compared to top corners around the league .. they are not slow, and that's just in comparison to them. Length and technique have become more the rage in addition to speed. Patrick Peterson 4.56 Malcolm Butler 4.6 Josh Norman 4.57 Aqib Talib 4.4 Dee Milliner 4.37 Jeremy Clark 4.5 Derrick Jones 4.46 Bowles blitzed 47% of opponents drop backs with the Cardinals opposed to under the 30% league average. Of course the game plan would change team to team. Consistent blitzing and having a top defense. Though he had the right players which he doesn't quite have yet. I'm not optimistic or pessimistic but stating the obvious considering his defensive schemes.
Paul Hackett is the perfect coordinator for a rookie bubble because he is naturally conservative in terms of the calls he makes. 1st down pass and 3rd down draw is a great way to keep a young QB out of trouble. 1st down 60/40 pass run 2nd down 50/50 pass run 3rd down 40/60 pass run without regard for distance to 1st down. That's a way to keep defenses from pressuring the QB consistently and it eats the clock, which leaves less opportunity for rookie errors. It can be frustrating on a good team but it is a no-brainer on a mediocre or weak team.
Well, I could be wrong, but when so many WRs run in the 4.4s, I don't see how CBs with 4.5 and 4.6 speed could help but get beat. I know that instincts can help lessen the effect of the difference in speed, but not always. Also, the taller the CB, the higher his center of gravity, and the harder it is for him to switch/turn smoothly, quickly and to backpedal smoothly. Can some do it? Undoubtedly, but why run a D where it's harder to find the pieces you need and they have to be such specific types? That takes a LOT of time and a lot of luck, and probably a lot of investment in high picks or trading up to get those kinds of player. In addition, the 3-4 alignment is designed to bring pressure from the OLB position, not from blitzing by the DBs. That's the way to get the most efficient and effective pressure on opposing QBs. Trying to bring pressure from the DB position, alters the functionality of the system and is an inherently flawed approach imo. With regards to your list of CBs, you mention "top" CBs then proceed to give a mixed list. We all know that Milliner isn't a top CB and can't stay healthy and on the field. Norman is a zone CB, so his speed or lack thereof is irrelevant to the discussion imo. They can be slower, but when you play press man-to-man, you need faster CBs, who can pivot quickly/and stay with their man. How fast is Abouye? How fast are the other CBs in the NFL? How fast have CBs been over the last 5-10 years? I would bet that most are in the 4.4 area, not the 4.6 area. DBs and WRs who run in the 4.6 range drop in the draft.
In theory, maybe, but not in practice imo. His offense is also VERY predictable, and being so conservative it means the D has to worry about a lot less.
That wasn't the point of this thread. Everyone already knows and agrees with what you are saying. We do need Oline and skill players, but we have holes nearly everywhere. 2 safeties may seem like overkill, but if they pan out, our defense will change dramatically. Bowles system revolves around playmaking safeties who can be interchangeable and that's exactly what they are. I am content with them drafting two safeties this season only if it means they will be aggressively working on the offense next draft. If they don't, I will be as disappointed as you are.
I understand what you are saying and agree with it to some extent. I can't see how interchangeable safeties wouldn't work well in any D alignment, but I could be wrong. Someone who knows more about defense could answer that better than I. If they would work well in any system, then I think it was possibly a good move, but if they won't, then unless Bowles has been given some sort of assurance that he will be here for at least 2 more years, then I think it was a mistake. I understand that Mac and Bowles are working together and Mac is trying to give Bowles what he needs to succeed. IMO a pass rusher is much more important than a safety. With Claiborne injury-prone and only having signed a one-year deal, the argument could be made that a #1 CB prospect would be more important than another safety.
