One draft wasn't going to fix this team. Unfortunately, this roster has a lot of holes and that's what horrible drafting year after year does to your team. The latter part of Tanny drafts and all of Idzik drafts, with a few exceptions, have been awful. Macc will need to have another stellar draft or two before we contend for the division. I think its important to note that if the QB play is good then things will look much much better. If anyone was wondering whether the Jets are in full rebuild mode, just look at how many times Macc traded back. First time in his tenure, and most in franchise history, macc accumulated as much draft capital as he could in order to fill the bottom end of this roster. Hopefully most will be able to contribute on special teams right away. I too like that we didn't go QB or OL, both were weak classes overall. In the end, we will see what Hack and/or petty are made of this year because I just can't see how McCown starts all season, or at all.
If Hack brings us to 8-8 from what he was last year during preseason and from what our team was last year, I think we've found a guy has proven he can improve and be the guy.
True, but barring a breakout season by several players this year, including QB, 4 wins is the ceiling IMHO....the schedule isn't pretty.
But last year's schedule was tough too and they won 5 with terrible coaching and bad years from a number of key players. It's not a stretch to consider that Bowles improves his coaching and the team plays better because it doesn't have some of the dogs it had (addition by subtraction), and added some good talent since last year. 5 or 6 wins is very possible and then heartbreak for all the "We'll get our FQB in 2018!" crowd.
Did you already forget "He gives us the best chance to win" mantra from Bowles even after 6 picks and a season already in the toilet?
Why on earth would they do that? They probably have the number 2 pick sewn up next year without starting him and no matter how bad they are nobody will beat out Cleveland for that star QB next year with two 1s and two 2s in next year's draft already.
this exactly ..wouldn't we prefer Hack shows promise and we go 8-8 vs a shit tank no hope at QB season? why is that not the overall sentiment here
Because very few people believe in the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, etc after their 9th birthday and 8 year old posters are hard to come by on TGG. Not to put too big a point on this but Geno went 8-8 his rookie year while the Jets were being outscored by 97 points. Having that kind of year next year with Hack at QB would be an unmitigated disaster. Beyond a disaster it would be a team-altering catastrophe, as we missed out on all the big QB's in 2018.
That statement is totally misleading. Teams that win consistently win consistently because they have a FQB, and that winning in turn leads to picks at the bottom of the rounds. Those organizations have won and keep winning because they got a FQB or at least a very good starter. NE was crap before Brady. Pittsburgh went through a lot of lean years before they got Rothlisberger. The Falcons struggled until they got Matt Ryan. The Ravens struggled until they got Joe Flacco. Conversely, look at the talent the Texans have and they have struggled precisely because they don't have a QB. If they had, they'd have won a SB or two by now. The Saints wouldn't have come close to winning a SB without Brees. Where would GB be without Rodgers?
I disagree. McCown has a huge advantage in being a veteran player and having experience with offenses similar to what Morton will use with the Jets. Hack and/or Petty could have very good OTAs, mini-camp and TC, but not feel comfortable with enough of the offense to start week 1, but be ready by week 2 or 3. In addition, both could get banged up in preseason and not be fully healthy week 1, forcing the Jets to have to start McCown. Their plan could also be to start McCown. That would be a lousy plan, but it would be a plan. I can't imagine that is there plan, and don't think it is, but it's still a plan. Finally, since any plan involves human beings and many factors can influence or affect plans, even the best plan can go awry. That doesn't mean that there wasn't a plan.
About a month ago in some thread I wrote i felt MacCagnan would not take a QB this draft at any level. He was going all in on Christian. If Christian showed early he can develop quickly into a FQB (like Dak last year) then the jokes on us and we FINALLY have our Lord and Savior If Christian sacrificed on the cross.and he doesn't win a single game because the football kept falling through the holes in his hands then it's 'suck for luck' all over again and Mac nabs the best FQB in the 2018 draft. Either way come 2018 MacCagnan WILL HAVE!!! his prized Franchize QB of his dreams when Christian takes the opening snap, or when Mason Rudolph takes his rookie snap Our days have not having a QB are almost over. This is why Mac is grabbing the D-guys when he can, because he knows that once the Lombardi's start flowing it's all boring O-guy pics from then on. Mac' a genius!
We could miss out on the FQB by winning a couple more games than we should and finding that nothing would dislodge the top picks from the hands of the few teams that had them next year. Alternately we could find the price of taking a chance on an FQB was just too expensive to do, like 3 1sts plus 3 2nds, etc.
False equivalency, consistently good teams weren't always consistently good teams (with very very few exceptions). Even the Patriots were a bad team at one point that had to go through a complete rebuild. Once you have a solid foundation then you can be consistently good, but to do it you need a foundation that's built on young good players, not aging veterans free agents. The problem for the Jets is that at one time they had that young foundation, about 10 years ago. But then they fell in to a win now mentality and failed to keep an infusion of quality youth coming in to the team. A team with an established and continually restocked core doesn't need high picks to rebuild their team. They can give players taken lower time to develop and fill roles.or learn on the job...rebuilding teams can't do that. The Jets keep losing focus. the thing about having high draft picks for a rebuilding team isn't necessarily the first round, it's the subsequent rounds where you draft at the top of each later round and can catch people who slipped out of the round they should have been taken in... That's why high draft picks are important for teams in full rebuild mode.
If Bowles commits the same mistakes as last season, this season will just be a mirror of last. The reality is, the dynamic of the Jets situation is much different because Fitz was signed to be the starter with fairly high money. McCown was not given that kind of money and with Macc not drafting QB, I really do believe that both Hack and Petty will be given every opportunity to take that starting spot. If the jets coaches believe Hack and Petty haven't progressed enough, then McCown will surely be the starter.
If by the end of this season it's clear that Hackenberg/Petty aren't the answer at QB, then the Jets need to pay the price to move up if they have to, that is assuming the 2018 crop is as good as advertised. The price above is ridiculous and no team would pay it. However, a 1 and 2 this year, a 1 next year, and possibly a 3 this year or 2 next year would be reasonable asking price depending on how far they have to move. All the talk of the Jets having to finish last to get the QB they need is silly. If there's a guy you like, you move up to get him.
The problem for the Jets is they kept freaking trading up and trading picks for 28 year old vets and that caught up to them. The second wave of the problem is that the next regime could not draft for it's life. At least this regime has a coherent process and plan. In that 2014 draft about half the picks were DOA for one reason or another. Shaq Evans was the perfect example of a completely flat prospect unlikely to compete at the NFL level and we used a 4th round pick on him! Other picks were similarly bad and we wound up with Just Pryor and Enunwa out of what should have been a windfall of at least 6 guys who became contributors. Then Pryor was completely mismanaged and so we're going to trade him in on a lottery ticket whenever the chance presents itself.
