The men can talk here (2 beasts at Safety)

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  1. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Kirk Cousins, Drew Brees, Matthew Stafford and Sam Bradford are all free agents as well.

    I don't want Bradford or Brees, but with the cap flexibility we should have we could potentially make a run at Stafford or Cousins. I'm all in for Stafford.
     
  2. Walt White

    Walt White Well-Known Member

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    I'm concerned about that too. That they're drafting for Bowles and not going for the best player.
    But it's tough to make that determination now with guys picked 6th and 39th, because if these guys play up to the place they were drafted it's a win whatever the reasons they were picked. There's just so much more work to do anyway.
     
  3. rohirrim665

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    I agree that the worrisome part about picking 2 safteys is that it has a lot to do with Todd Bowles system, which is scary because I don't see Bowles coaching this team much longer, not because of Woody's incompetence, but because Bowles is actually a bad coach. Hopefully the next guy who comes in can figure out how to use those two together.
     
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  4. boozer32

    boozer32 Well-Known Member

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    Not the same. They are two different position along the offensive line. Two strong safeties who starts and who sits. Can't play both because they are both in the box type. So now we are reinventing the wheel eliminating the free safety position?
     
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  5. boozer32

    boozer32 Well-Known Member

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    There is an extremely small window to fix things in the NFL. Players get older and injuries happen. So this draft is baffling on many level. This could not have been their war room board. They have no offense, no QB's, runningbacks that threaten no one and free agency scrubs that are lingerie league material. Do they even have a big picture plan for the Jets or are they screwing up the Jets on purpose cause they know they won't be around next year?
     
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  6. NCJetsfan

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    I disagree. I've seen Clemson play a lot over the last 2-3 years and he was constantly getting burned. I'm glad he went elsewhere.
     
  7. MaximusD163

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    When Bowles and MacCagnan took over two years ago, the team was essentially devoid of talent. The grand total of decent players on the team at the time was Muhammad Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson, and Eric Decker. The quarterbacks on the roster as far as I remember wer Geno Smith and Matt Simms. People have been bitching and moaning and making out that we haven't moved forward at all since then but that's not the case.

    MacCagnan I'm sure laid out a plan saying we have no talent, and a lot of cap room that needs to be spent. To be a good team is going to take years of drafting, but I am going to spend some cash for some vets, but we all know these players are not going to be around long. It can't be looked at as poorly spent cash because it had to be spent on someone, and whoever we paid to come in weren't going to be the answer to a franchise devoid of talent.

    After 2 seasons MacCagnan says well, we were way better in the first year than we ever expected, but we have to be aware that we can't allow a fluke good season to color our vision as far as how much quality talent is actually on this roster. After getting rid of some players who were always expected to be around for a few seasons at most, the roster has a clear corps of defensive players. The Jets have invested in an athletic first round talent at each of the 3 defensive units in their first 3 years. They took a cornerstone defensive lineman, a cornerstone middle linebacker, and a cornerstone safety. We should all remember that Idzik left the roster with absolutely nothing, and that MacCagnan went in starting the roster assembly from the ground up. By investing in a defensive head coach, it makes sense to assemble the defensive cornerstone players first, and work from there. Leonard Williams is likely to be a pro-bowl lineman for the majority of his career, and beyond that this is our first year of being able to confidently judge the first draft of the McCagnan/Bowles era.

    It's a well known wisdom to take three full seasons to properly evaluate a draft class, so that means this is the year to confidently appraise Leonard Williams, Devin Smith, Lorenzo Mauldin, Bryce Petty, Jarvis Harrison, and Deon Simon. No doubt we have had indicators of where these players are headed, but due diligence insists this year is important to the grading process. Though so many bring up the issues on offense, which are absolutely big issues, the key is to look at the big picture. Despite the fact that first round picks were invested every year on defense since 2009, 2015 was the first year under this leadership. Drafting Leonard Williams was key, because it was MacCagnan making a point that he will neither give previously drafted players anything they don't show him they earned, nor be caught in a situation where he doesn't have leverage. Sheldon Richardson and Calvin Pryor are players that will start the season in rotation, and if they want any chance at a healthy contract they better play well this season. Either way, we trade them before the deadline mid-season, let them go in free agency and recouperate a compensatory pick or two, or they just suck and walk away. No matter what, MacCagnan has put the team in a situation where they are not reliant on those players in any way.

    If you want to win with a young quarterback, you better have a damn good defense and an offensive line. I suspect 2018 is the year of drafting an offensive lineman or two high. If you have those things surrounding a young QB, you give him the opportunity to mature without being pummeled, and then as he grows you begin to build the team around him and his strengths. I don't see an issue with how the team is handling business at this point, considering how much work they had laid out for them when they came to town.
     
  8. fansince90

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    Eli getting hurt and Geno leading the "G" men to the playoffs or SB would truly make me give up on this organization. I made up my mind. If that happens im out!
     
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    Wasn't Gholston, Milliner, Coples...etc etc all good college players?
    Everyone keeps saying we got 2 good players, Prior was a good player...aka the Louisville slugger. The only person he has knocked out the park so far has been himself. If im not mistaken he has had 2 concussions.
    Please let these guys play b4 we praise how good they are.
     
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    Why ?

    We have no OL in place for Stafford, he will be injured by week 3 and then we can get back to tanking but it has now cost us 20m a season for an injured crap QB :rolleyes:
     
  11. xxedge72x

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    Check out @AdamSchefter's Tweet:

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  12. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    So whose available today that loves football and brings glass chewing toughness to the field? That's the common link between first three picks so far.

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  13. Vida

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    You always rebuild from defense first, in any sport. It sets the foundation to build off both gameplan wise and list wise. I like the picks so far.
     
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  14. David-The-Meats-Harris

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    I don't think anyone here in their right mind is complaining about the quality of the players. Personally I'm tired of this team's constant need to pick defense and treating the offense like they can build it through garage sale hopping. In case they haven't noticed they need to score more touchdowns than they have been.

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  15. JetBlue

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    Except the offense wasn't that bad last year except at QB, and that wasn't getting solved in this draft.
     
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  16. westiedog1

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    I think Woody is taking a cue from his buddy Trump. He's trying to build a wall in front of the end zone.
     
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    Plus 1000

    I am glad someone else sees the Politics here..its been a Todd Bowles draft with some "input" from MacCagnan

    The guy prob goes home and dreams about being a real GM and firing TBs ass
     
  18. Greenday4537

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    But Jets fans tell me you'll suck if you do that!
     
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  19. NYJetsO12

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    AHAHAHAHA

    Too funny!
     
  20. SoylentGreen

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    Yeah so tired of people complaining about drafting defense!! The Jets should continue to draft defense and then just take any qb and groom them to be as good as Aaron Rodgers. That way it won't matter who they put on offense.
     

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