LOL at Hasty trying to make Coples, and Ellis sound like they were actually good players. LOL at Allen playing NT. LOL AT Allen being the best available player at 6. Crappy shoulders and everything. That was great.
not to mention one of the knocks on Allen is not enough wait for the position ( DE DT ) let alone NT but on the other hand allen could be easily the BPA at #6 but not that far ahead of the other position players there for no way the jets select him . But allen is unblockable at the point of the atack he is very good and a leader but no way i want him on the Jets sheldon richardson is a better overall player then Allen off the field aside. So would be incredibly dumb to try to trade SR for a 2nd round pick and select Allen #6 overall.
Schematically and logically, the Jets don't need Allen. We already have our 3 in Mo [LE], Leonard [RE] and Simon [NT] should Sheldon get traded in a 3-4 base. 4-3, you put Leonard and Mo inside. What the Jets need to do is start getting some outside speed to compliment the interior power rush. I have a much better idea for trading Sheldon and that is to get back into the first round and select Takkarist McKinley or Charles Harris. Both can play 3-4 or 4-3. I would trade right before Pittsburgh goes OTC. Allen, 2 surgeries on each shoulder for a position where you need to constantly win leverage using your shoulders and body.
You give serious consideration to whichever QB you like best. How many times have the Jets had the chance to select whichever QB they liked best? If not then Williams and trade down are the only options.
Yea there aren't many scenarios I'd be ok with drafting Fournette in 1st rd. Certainly not over a great talent at a far more important position.
Explain please. How is a WR more important than a RB? And I haven;t see or heard anyone claim that Williams is a better talent than Fournette. Fournette is called by some to be a generational talent.
It's a passing league now, I would put a dominant WR just below a franchise QB and LT in terms of importance to an offense. While I consider RB to be least important and a dominant OL can make any RB look good, the same cannot be said for a WR. Now I'm certainly no expert but have always followed the draft closely. I think Fournette might just be the most overrated prospect of all time. Maybe that's an exaggeration, I don't know, time will tell. Sure he has great size and speed but there is more to it than size and speed. Does he have the desire? Longevity? Judging by the amount of games he's missed in college it sure doesn't bode well in the NFL. The fact that he was constantly banged up in college combined with his punishing running style I just don't see him having a long career. RB should be the last piece of the puzzle, not the first. Plus in today's NFL I hate the idea of building an offense around a RB, which is what we'd need to do if Fournette was the pick at 6.
Well I give you credit for a well-reasoned response, but I disagree. Have you seen tape of Fournette? I agree that for even an above-average RB, your point about not building the offense around him is true, but Fournette is way above that level. And he can take a huge amount of pressure off whoever the QB is. He can be the bridge to when the Jets have an effective FQB. At that point, if he's diminished it won't matter as much, and they Jets can replace him at worst. But while Williams is a great WR, he needs a competent QB to get him the ball. Quick: Name a competent QB on the Jets roster. I could certainly buy taking Howard over Fournette if you want to upgrade the passing game because he also upgrades teh OL and pass/run blocking, but a WR, no matter how good isn;t going to touch the ball even half as much as a featured RB,
I get not wanting to build your offense around a RB. I understand that Fournette's longevity may not be that great in the NFL due to his running style. I even understand wanting a dominant WR. What I don't understand is the gross exaggeration and hyperbole saying that Fournette might just be the most overrated prospect of all time. That's utter nonsense. Saying that he was constantly banged up in college, is flat out untrue. He injured his ankle or ankles in preseason this past year and didn't give them time to heal. He rushed back and re-injured them. He wasn't injured his Sophomore year at all, and I don't think he was his freshman year, either.
Yes I've watched a lot of his games, two things I can't get past with him is the amount of games he's missed and the fact that in his biggest games vs Alabama he was invisible. Like I said I'm certainly no expert and I'm the type of fan that will support whomever is the pick so if he is selected I will be his biggest fan until there is a reason not to be. I would take Howard over Williams as well but in this scenario Howard is gone. I certainly don't believe this is a one draft fix and I also cannot name a competent QB already on the Jets roster. If we don't find one than it won't matter who is selected with the 6th pick. I do think that having a dominant WR helps a QB though, need proof? Just look at what Marshall did for Fitz the first year. So while yes we do not have a QB right now, having a dominant WR already in place will be a huge help when we finally get that QB and I do believe he that Williams can be a dominant WR in the NFL.
We're obviously not going to agree. But in answer to your "knock" on Fournette's poor game against Alabama, keep in mind that he was the ONLY offense LSU had, and he was playing against a great defense. And I never said that a dominant WR doesn't help the offense, just that it's not as much as a dominant RB. Williams is a great WR, but he's a luxury for this Jets team, especially when there are other WRs that will be available who are nearly as good.
Concerning Allen, I'd pass on him simply because of his shoulders, even if he is the best available player at that spot (I'm not convinced he is). Don't take a chance on an already fragile player; too risky that high in the draft. I'm not taking a chance on a highly talented but injury prone player until the comp 3rd. For example, Sidney Jones. Sent from my KIW-L24 using Tapatalk
