If nothing else, this thread confirms how VERY differently Jets fans see things. It would be boring if we all always agree and thought alike, but it's still amazing to me at times how differently we can see and interpret things. I respect all of you even though at times my responses probably don't come across that way. Please know that I do. I may vociferously disagree with your opinion, perspective or thought process on things, but I don't usually mean it personally unless I have been attacked of offended. I can't begin to understand some of your opinions or how you see things the way you do, but then I'm sure that you think/feel the same way about how I see things. It sure keeps things interesting.
Respectfully agree to disagree concerning McCaffrey. If Fournette is good enough for the Jets at 6, then so is McCaffrey. They're different runners true, but I'd argue that McCaffrey is a better fit for what the Jets should be doing offensively. While Fournette has a very fun style of running that's old school cool, McCaffrey is the modern breed of NFL runner. He doesn't have truck stick ability, but he can run effectively both inside and outside, he can act as a receiver out of the backfield or in motion, he can line up as a slot receiver or even a flank if there's a mismatch to be exploited. He's fast, tough, can juke people out of their cleats, and create mismatches in tons of ways. He's arguably got the best intangibles of any runner in this draft, and he can block sufficiently for the position. He does everything and would be an offensive coordinators dream. He may not have the ceiling of Fournette or even Cook, but how many prospects with a high ceiling don't even approach it? What I see in McCaffrey is a foundation that is tremendous. He's underrated and underappreciated going into the draft. I'm less worried about him being a bust this year than anyone not named OJ Howard. It's not popular in the mock draft realm, but if the Jets made that call at 6, I'd be completely comfortable with it. If you have a player that you think you just can't miss on, take him. Don't worry about what the mocks felt were the optimal route. Sent from my KIW-L24 using Tapatalk
I also like McCaffrey, but I wouldn't take him at 6 unless Mahomes, Watson, Howard, Fournette were gone. And if Cook were still there, I'd be tempted to take him over McCaffrey. That said, I really do like McCaffrey's intangibles and multi-faceted skills. I wouldn't cry if they took him at 6 because I do think he'll improve the offense, but I'd be surprised if Macc took him and left a "higher rated" defensive player on the board. I also agree with the statement I bolded. If you think a guy can help your team more than anyone else available at that pick, then take him.
It still blows my mind that the NFL thinks it is important enough that it moved the draft from March to April to mess with Baseball. Hopefully the down ratings will tell the NFL to stay in their lane more than they have been doing in recent years because I think if they don't do that the down ratings are just the tip of the iceberg. NFL burnout is a real possibility for a lot of folks who aren't Pats, Steelers, Broncos or Packers fans at this point.
I get why you like McCaffrey so much for all the reasons listed. I just think he would be a big, if not huge reach at #6. I also disagree that he would be such a great fit with the Jets. Perhaps in a year or two if the Jets have fixed their OL, but as their OL is presently constituted, I think McCaffrey's talents would be wasted with the Jets. He is not a good enough blocker and can't break tackles, plus he's too similar to Powell. IMO the Jets RBs are all too much alike. They need a different type of RB than what they presently have in Forte and Powell. In addition, it's very likely that Morton won't be here longer than one year, so I don't think it makes a ton of sense to draft a RB who is a great fit for that style of offense, when we could be running something entirely different next season. I think Fournette has more scheme versatility. If we're gonna take a RB at #6, it should be Fournette.
Sorry NC, but I would never respect a GM that would allow the worthless media and even the fan base from altering the right decision. I'm not saying Allen is the right decision,because he is not IMO the BPA at six, but non the less either your are the GM or not, so if you have a plan stick to it. The fans will turn against you no matter what.
That's certainly fair and understandable. I also agree with it to an extent. The thing is that taking Allen would be really dumb after all the other DL the Jets have taken in the first round over the last 5-6 years, even if the fans and media didn't say anything. I also think that the GM has to think about the financial impacts of his picks, as if the fans did go into open revolt and stay home, an owner like Woody would be all over his butt, and Mac probably wouldn't keep his job very long.
Unless Morton is the guy to replace Bowles. If he has the offense running better than last year mess. He's certainly paid his dues in the NFL.
Allen also has a bunch of questions hanging over him from the injury issues to the tweener issues to the why didn't he play on running downs issues. He looks like a giant project to me. He has tinges of Vernon Gholston. He's one of the guys that the 6 pick and the Jets seem to draw like a magnet. Not saying he won't work out but with all the underlying things you have to wonder if the Jets would be biting off more than they could chew with him.
A reach is only a reach if the player doesn't pan out, ala Dexter McDougle. If the player ends up being great, then it's a good pick no matter how high you take them. That's the catch 22 of the NFL draft - finding the player who doesn't go that high in the mock drafts, but a player that goes that high or higher in the re-drafts.
There's some irony in these two sentences since the second led to the first which increases the chance he won't just do the second again.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. While I'm not a fanatic about "value," it is important. Why draft a guy at #6 of the first round that you might be able to get trading down to #23 and add a 2nd and 4th round in the process? Even though there are rookie salary slots, still one doesn't want to have to overpay for a draft pick either in terms of where he is chosen or what one has to pay him.
OK so let's say we pass on Allen and take a QB (I was wrong about Mariota, perhaps one of the bums in this draft is a steal at #6). I seem to be in the minority as most people want to trade Sheldon Richardson. Assume for the moment that we either trade him (fourth rounder and a six pack of beer perhaps). Quentin Coples is gone. Kendrick Ellis is gone. Leger Douzable is gone. For all of the draft pick we have used on 3-4 DEs only Wilkerson and Williams remain. Wilkerson did not have a good year last year. Ignoring his attitude problem he was much less effective on the field since his injury. He has been vocal in his complaints that the medical and coaching staff have been mismanaging his recovery. There is a decent chance that he never gets back to the level he achieved at his peak. Now fast forward two or three years. If Leonard Williams continues to play at a high level and get the pro bowl recognition he received this year he will not come cheap when his contract is up. It is possible that he will hold our or want a contract bigger than Mo's. I can think of worse things than having Sheldon Richardson and / or Jonathan Allen for depth. If Allen can replace Snacks on DT the pick becomes a home run. The draft is not and should never be about trying to fill the holes we have now. The draft is to raise the overall talent level of the team to limit the holes we have in the future. The most talented teams can use their depth to trade from a position of strength, get value from redundant players, and get valuable players or picks in return. The least talented teams lose value or do not trade at all as their weakness is apparent to other teams.
The analyst sell it as the player is moving up boards to protect their reputations when whats closer to reality is pieces of team boards are leaking to the "experts" and they are adjusting their boards accordingly.
Coples, Ellis and Douzable are the past. The DL is probably the least important unit in a 3-4 D alignment. Enough 1st round picks have been spent on that unit to last a decade or two. The Jets have some young prospects who showed a lot of promise last season. If Bowles was correct about Wilkerson's injury, he will probably bounce back this season. I'm not worried about the DL, and see no need whatsoever for a 2-down DL with a history of shoulder injuries at #6. Allen will not replace Snacks. Simon is already looking good. The draft is for both, raising the overall talent level and filling holes. FA should only be for depth, competition, and an occasional starter. The draft is for everything else. There are a number of picks who are rated just as highly or higher than Allen who also fit Jets strong needs. There is no rationalization for taking Allen. None.
I disagree that he's the BPA. Even if he is, too many high (1st round) draft picks have been used on the DL already. It is probably the least important unit in a 3-4 D alignment. It would be absolutely stupid imo to use yet another 1st round pick on the DL and continue ignoring the offense and secondary. I don't think Wilkerson will be gone in 2018, but even if he is, they have some young players in Obioha and Thomas with potential. They can also draft a DE or DT in the 2nd round or lower next year. Where have all the 1st round picks going to the DL got them? Tell me that. I'll answer. It's gotten them nowhere, and it would be totally stupid continuing to do the same thing that hasn't changed their fortunes. That's one of the definitions of insanity. There's a better chance that Bowles won't be the HC of the Jets in 2018 and they may be running a 4-3 alignment in the future anyway. They should absolutely stay away from the DL and address other areas of the team.
