I'll take the chance Fournette will still be at least at 90% come 2019 .. when he'd be entering the third year of his rookie contract. NCJ had me intrigued with his collection of names he's take at 6. So I took some time and looked at their film. Hooker is a ball hawk .. his tape makes me wonder what the freak our safeties are doing out there?!!? Adams I'd definitely pass on as he reminds me of Calvin Pryor .. .. couldnt cover a 1 legged 450lb TE .. nuff said there. Rueben Foster is intriguing and if he can drop into coverage is an option. It's a bit disappointing most of the above has some type of injury. As for Howard, he's growing on me. I'm still hesitant using the 6 pick on him considering we could get a starting TE later in the draft as it's a very talented pool this year. Could be the best TE class since 2010 and that was arguably the best TE class of all time. Each prospect is a playmaking pass catcher and are at least average blockers, a few have great size to them already with nice 40 times to match those frames, such as Njoku who's actually still developing at 20 years old and could be had after a trade down scenario. It's a shame Jake Butt tore his ACL for the second time .. though I'm sure he's going to go higher than expected. Evojoe you bring up a good point as adding a playmaking TE will make it hard for Defenses to match up. This does comes into play with Howard and Engram as their 40 times separate them from the others. In the end, I think a weapon like Howard spreading and shredding defenses in a Jet uniform would look awesome, but I feel we can find a starter just as dangerous and productive who can also block later in the draft. I wouldn't be angry if we picked him at 6, IF there were no trade down offers, but prefer me Njoku (the Jersey Boy.) He would be extreme value if he fell to us in the second round, but might need to be snatched up as early as mid first round.
With all due respect, you couldn't possibly be more wrong about Adams. I don't know what video you watched of him, but it must have been the one bad game he had in his entire career at LSU. I've seen him play quite a bit, and he is a stud of the first order. He doesn't just deliver big hits like Pryor. Adams is a great tackler, takes good angles, is VERY good in coverage, and best of all, he's a real leader. He inspires/motivates the players around him to play better. He has great character. His speed isn't the same as Hooker's, but then few players have that kind of speed. Adams ran a 4.39 or in the low 4.4s yesterday at his Pro Day. While SS is probably his more natural and best position, he can play either S spot. He would excel in covering TEs, RBs and even probably even slot receivers over the middle. The only problem with him is that he probably won't last until the Jets pick at #6. With regards to Howard and the TEs, there isn't a TE in the class even remotely close to Howard in talent, or in all around ability. Kittle may be a better blocker, but not by much. Howard has great hands, great character and would help this team immensely. Njoku, Engram and others of that ilk would not have the same impact on the Jets as they are receivers only. They can't block for spit. That makes the offense to predictable when they're on the field. They're useless to stay in and block, so opposing Ds know that they will always be going out on routes. They'd be useless in the rushing attack or in pass protection, and with our questionable OL we need TEs that can block. The two-way TEs in this draft that I'm aware of and know a little about are Howard, Leggett of Clemson, Jake Butt, George Kittle of Iowa, Jeremy Sprinkle of Arkansas and Josiah Price of Michigan St. Hopefully, there are others. There are definitely some bigger prospects who have the size to be able to block effectively, but do they have the toughness (both mentally and physically) and willingness to block is the big question. Among those players are Adam Shaheen of Ashland, Michael Roberts of Toledo, Keith Towbridge of Louisville, Hayden Plinke of Texas-El Paso, and Andy Avgl of Western Oregon.
I'm curious...why not Reuben Foster? Is it injury concerns (concussions), character (anger issues), or do you think that's too high to take an ILB?
Mostly because I think it's too high for ILB, especially considering we just took Lee last year to fill his role. Also taking positional value into account I like both Adams and Hooker better and imo each of them fill far bigger needs for this team. I'm mostly in the offense in 1st round camp but think Adams and Hooker are both special talents that if they were the pick I'd certainly understand why. If it was up to me though it would come down to Howard or Williams unless I was sure about one of the QBs. Ideally I'd love to trade down and still get Howard or Williams and then use the added picks to go after one of the QBs that makes it to end of round 1. I'm very surprised there isn't much love on here for Williams who I also think is a special talent and fills a dire need. I do think I would take Howard over him though mostly because I think he is one of if not the safest picks in the draft and still has huge upside at a position that is becoming more and more important every year.
No worries NCJ, we can't all always agree. What fun would that be lol. My go to site to review prospects film is draftbreakdown.com, each snap played per game is available. So far, I viewed most of Jamal Adams film and IMO, I see a Pryorish type of player. A primary contributor as a run stuffer. He looks great with a clear A to B route to the tacklee but completely average fighting blocks and pursuing from distance. Lack of anticipation and bites often to play action fakes leaving him out of a would be game changing play make. Misses more tackles than a tackle magnet should and drops too many would be interceptions. Decreased in interceptions and passes defended from the prior year .. Here's one of many games with such examples: http://draftbreakdown.com/video/jamal-adams-vs-wisconsin-2016/ As for the other TE's not being remotely close in talent, I think that's a bit of an overstatement. Howard was no where near the player Njoku is at age 20, and he's still not reached his potential. As for Engram, yes he's not much of a blocker but that can't be said for 3/4 of the top TE's and especially in the case of Njoku who does line up next to the tackle and gets called on to block like a traditional TE. A lot of these TE's are underrated blockers and all of them didn't have the luxury of lining up behind the tackle and pulling as Howard was used in Alabamas offense. He struggled as much as any other TE when he lined up traditionally and wasn't throwing blocks on CB's. More than one site has him listed as passive with character concerns about his dedication and competitive nature. Besides his 40 time, I just don't see a huge drop off in talent between Howard and the top 5.
For me it is between Hooker, Adams, Foster, Howard, and a WR. I would say that Howard could be a stretch as this TE class is very deep and littered with quality but I think the impact that he would have on our running game and passing game would be immense.
If we stay at 6 OJ Howard should be the pick. He is the best TE to come out since Gronk / Olsen. There are at least 5 RBs in this draft that look to have first round talent. The smart move would be to try to get the sixth or seventh best RB with our comp pick at the end of round three.
I really hope we don't have to stay at 6. Lots of tunafish there and no filet mignon unless somebody makes a mistake, really unless three somebodies make a mistake in front of us. Two QB's going top 5 would help but still not certain we get a great prospect at that point.
The Jets just picked up Brian Parker, a TE we had before. This changes my mine for Howard at 6. Now Parker isn't much of a weapon, but maybe just another body. More the reason to try and trade down and get extra bodies. Possible Njoku around the 10th.
We just picked up Brian Parker again. http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/04/jets_sign_tight_end_brian_parker.html The funniest bit was when Parker compared himself to Jace Amaro! He obviously doesn't aim too high!
You beat me to it LVC. Here's what I found on the bloke. Brian Parker Age: 24 Born: May 30, 1992; Rochester, NY Position: TE Measurables: 6-4, 260lb (193cm, 117kg) Year----Tm----G---GS---Tgt--Rec---Yds 2015----KAN--9----0------2-----1-------6 "The Jets added tight end Brian Parker to their roster last year, but his stay with the team came to a quick end when he failed a physical. San Diego Chargers Parker played in nine games for the Chiefs in 2015 and caught one pass for six yards. He was waived before the start of last season and claimed by the Jets, but remained out of the league after failing his physical. Kansas City Chiefs After being put on the wavier wire by the San Diego Chargers, Parker was picked up off waivers on September 6, 2015 by the Kansas City Chiefs. Parker made his NFL debut on November 1, 2015 against the Detroit Lions at Wembley Stadium in London. On September 3, 2016, he was released by the Chiefs. New York Jets Parker was claimed off waivers by the New York Jets on September 4, 2016. Parker was waived two days later after failing his physical. Parker played in nine games for the Chiefs in 2015 and caught one pass for six yards. He was waived before the start of last season and claimed by the Jets, but remained out of the league after failing his physical."
I was actuallly thinking bout that earlier .. and it would be disappointing as we have too many needs to fill. Trading down the 6 would bring us the greatest return .. I seriously hope we don't select a prospect at 6 at a position the draft is deep in .. it just isn't logical to me. Maccagnan better be in hustler mode.
