The team is not good because it does not have enough talent. i don't see how getting rid of prime talent is the answer. To suggest that only good teams should pay top dollar for players is ignoring the real world and playing only on paper
Did you just remove 2 years of Mo's best years to "strengthen" your argument? Holy fuck, please tell me you didn't just do that. Didn't even take into account the games he was hurt.
He removed the 2 years in a 6 year career that suggest Mo might be a top 5 3-4 DE. The other 4 years look a lot like a lot of other guys getting paid half of what Mo is making. I think that's the point of the thread to this post. To the people comparing Mo and Watt: please stop. Not same planet in any season and unlikely to be at this point in their careers. Their deals moving forward: Mo 4 years at $19M a year on the cap, Watt 4 years at $15.75M a year on the cap. Mo: 41 sacks, 11 FF, 65 AV Watt: 76 sacks, 15 FF, 90 AV Watt played 3 games last year and he's still lapping Mo at this point in the career numbers.
You do not remove a players best years to try and prove a point. That is not a neutral point of view and is extremely bias. Even so, Sheldon at his "best" he topped 8 sacks in a year he didn't play linebacker and Mo was hurt that year. BTW, the Mo - Watt comparison, I know that wasn't meant for me because I always had a different vision for how Mo plays on this team, his role. Don't forget Watt has a bad back. EDIT - Increasing cap, the market will always increase, also I am sure if things go really well, Mo will want to stay and maybe perhaps we can fix this contract and lower his cap hit. It can be done. Steelers have done this for the better part of the past 2 decades. With an expensive QB on the books.
Oh I understand that... I just feel why not be in the best position to be aggressive with cap money when the team is ready to use it... Mo could regress and be eating up money we may need one day.. and if he doesn't we're still just spending big bucks to lose games lol. Guess you're right though it doesn't really matter either way.
Wilkerson is the type to do a sack dance while the Jets are losing big. He's the finger pointer type, blaming others for his own poor conditioning/season. Cashing in Muhammad Wilkerson now before another poo poo season drops his value is certainly something the Jets should consider...Just like Seattle is pondering a Richard Sherman trade.
Really now, tell me when Mo danced when he got a sack when the game was out of reach? In terms of the conditioning, isn't it funny that Bowles and the CS are calling Mo a warrior for playing through the leg issue? Maybe Mo is right and the doctors didn't do their justice. You are now reaching for straws like everyone else on this thread. So not only did you try and throw away key stats to "prove" your point, you are now making assumptions about a player. 0 legs to stand on, and with all of this being ignored is the fact that Sheldon is the guy getting into constant off the field trouble. Oh let's start a fight with Brandon Marshall in the locker room!
I'm not throwing stats. I just think Wilkerson is most likely getting between 4 to 6 sacks in his prime years. He may have 1 more 10 plus sack season in him. Let it be with his new team so our conditional pick becomes lower.
Can you explain what you mean by this? I was going to respond and then I realized that I wasn't sure what the comment referred too. Didn't want to get caught in a cross-wise argument by responding poorly.
Mo is good for 6 to 8 sacks a year when healthy is what I see from Wilk from now until maybe 32ish 33? Mo was never the fastest guy on the field, but he has extremely long arms, power and moves to boot. Now yourself and others, I still don't see any truth to your comments Read this: http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-j...d-in-longest-sack-slump-in-four-years-but-why Mo is not an edge rusher, he's 300 pounds playing a spot in which a speed rusher should be occupying the spot. Mo in a 4 man front is a defensive tackle that can move around the line. He should not be your Edge Rusher on every passing down. IDK what Bowles was thinking, but it was a horrible idea.
Anytime Br4d! I know we had our differences with this, but just so you know you are the most knowledgeable fan here, I learned a shit ton from you dude. Here's an article, I seen to always go back to: http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/3568268-74/cap-million-steelers From 2010 to 2013, no team restructured contracts more then the Pittsburgh Steelers. As a person that hates the Steelers, I wanted to find out how the hell they were keeping players like Porter, Troy P, that defense as a whole while somehow giving Ben this large deal. In 3 years, they reworked 13 contracts! Roethlisberger three times; Timmons twice; Brown, Heath Miller, Chris Kemoeatu, James Harrison, Brett Keisel, LaMarr Woodley, Ike Taylor, Willie Colon once — that pushed $54.7 million into future years. It started here, Big Ben in 2004 signed a eight-year, $102 million contract .... depending on how that contract was structured, it's going to hamper the cap. Here is who they signed after: Steelers gave Timmons a five-year, $47.79 million contract extension [2010] Harrison gained a 6-year, $51.75 million contract extension with the Steelers [2010] Here's when things go crazy: Lamar Woodley in 2011 signed a six-year, $61.5 million contract. A lot of players got paid, but the only way they were able to stay over the cap is play this restructure game. In no way am I condoning this btw, but it can be done, gotta be smart. We are doing this on a smaller scale cause we have no one else to really pay until 2 or 3 years down the road with Leonard Williams cause we def ain't paying Pryor. Steelers were always close to being over the cap all of the time, but they found a way to make it work. Jets can too with Mo. Of course money then is different then money now, but the cap is much higher then it was.
You can't do that, just because you basically feel that 1/3rd of a guy's career is an anomaly. If that's the case, anybody can cherry pick data to back up any opinion they want. How about excluding a different third of his career? If you want to exclude large percentages of data, why not exclude his first and last year? You know, his rookie year & the year coming off of a major injury. Then you'd have an average season stat line of 15.25 games, 8.375 sacks, 4.75 PD, 37.25 tackles & 25.75 assists.
Brilliant idea. Trade Wilkerson when his value is at its lowest. Sorry but I fully expect him to have a bounce back season. He's not going anywhere, it won't be worth it. He has more value staying. People are so quick to want to get rid of a guy after one bad year coming back from injury, but it's not logical and you won't be able to get anything close to what he's worth in return because of his high salary cap hit this year. Interior lineman aren't just about getting sacks, they open up sacks for other people as well. I can't believe the hate that some people have for Big Mo. You are treating him like his career is over.
The Steelers did this because they were in a Super Bowl window and they had to re-sign Big Ben who had already won two Super Bowls. That's not the Jets situation and will not be in 2019. It might be in 2024.
That's correct. Now picture this scenario, this is the vision I always wish would happen to the Jets. It is the Packers model. 2017 1. This draft, Jets find pieces that can contribute [no QB drafted] 2. Jets still go 2-14, Hack and Petty suck 2018 3. Jets draft Darnold / Rosen / Josh Allen, etc 4. Jets pay Enunwa --- do not spend big in FA 5. Jets show life in 2018 and the QB question is answered 2019 6. 2019 NFL Draft, continue to make moves --- continue to not spend big in FA 7. Pay Leonard Williams In what scenario do you see us being hampered by the cap cause of Mo? 2020 comes around, the SB window should be open in 2019 [2nd year QBs always seem to get to the SB / foundation provided in 2 drafts]. 3 drafts later, the outlook on this team could drastically change.
The Jets wouldn't get shit for Wilkerson now based on his his performance last year..if he becomes a player this year then maybe they can trade him when this year is over.
This is not true. The Jets wouldn't get a huge deal for him in any circumstances because of his age and contract but they certainly could find a deal that provided future value and also right-sized the cap for the DL moving forward. His contract is an abomination that was visited upon us by a desperate management team that was unable to stay the course they had set for 3 years running prior to folding at the end of the process. It's not hard to think that if they'd realized they were in collapse mode they'd have stayed the course but instead they double-visioned a competitive window that just didn't exist.
This is not the time to trade any of our DEs. We need them to play well on the field so we can get maximum value in a trade later. Gotta play chess instead of checkers.
Big contracts are dangerous things.. If someone handed you or me 86 million tell me you would not be tempted to tell the world to go f*uck off
