I hate anybody with this contract: http://overthecap.com/player/muhammad-wilkerson/1013 It's nothing personal but we can't get much out of that contract but break even at best and that's if Mo turns it up and plays better than he ever has. The cheap year was last year and it's gone, like cotton candy on the lips, the taste wasn't even good and now it's gone too. Time to ditch the deal if we can and get back what we can in the process. Spreading out the hit doesn't work. That just squeezes the cap for years instead of strangling it immediately.
^ this.....most teams are not as stupid as the Jets. Besides, no way this is going to happen - everyone and his dear mom knows Mac isn't going to even think about pulling this off. Yes, fans have the luxury of 'thinking outside the box'....but GM's, especially, especially in Mac's case , cannot afford to after having as tough a year as was the case for the 2016 Jets.
You can get a potential 1st rounder in 2019 for Mo from the right team, assuming Mo plays at a peak level next year in his 28 season, however you have to let him play for them to do that. They have to get that 28 season out of him to make it worth the deal. And they have to have the fallback that if he's not great it's a 2nd and if he's not good it's a 3rd. You make it a 2019 both for them and for the Jets. For them because it gives them 2 years with Mo at full strength for the window, 2017 and 2018. For the Jets because a team willing to make the trade is likely to have a late 1st in 2018 and more likely to have a better 1st in 2019. Mo will be 30 years old on Oct 22 2019. That's likely to be the Jets first highly competitive year in the rebuild. Trade him now and get a high draft pick to put in that rebuild. Hold onto him now and watch him drop out of the window early. That's just what the odds say will happen.
All the more reason to keep him and see if he can return to that 2nd team all pro form. His value would increase exponentially and you look to entertain trading him NEXT year if a restructure cannot be made, the Steelers have done this for years. Playing the cap to keep their good players. There is no point in trading him now, you trade Sheldon now however, you keep him you are sending the absolute wrong message. I prefer however the Jets find a way to keep him as he is a valuable player in the trenches. We are getting closer to the reality we hoped we wouldn't see 3 years ago. No Snacks, no Sheldon, no Mo. Knew it would happen.
I can't even trade Mo in Madden for a 1st. I don't understand why people think it'll happen in real life.
IMO you focus too much on "value." You seem to forget that salaries rise from year to year, so value is an ever-changing mark, not a constant as you seem to think it is. It is definitely NOT time to ditch the deal. Coming off a year in which he was recovering from an injury and then decided to be late and skip a pre-game walk through, we'd get nothing for him. You wanna talk about value? We probably wouldn't get ten cents on the dollar for what he's worth on the field when healthy. If he doesn't bounce back this season in a big way, then we can look to trade him or cut him.
I was in agreement with you until you said that you prefer to keep Sheldon even though you think it sends the wrong message. I also don't see the tragedy that you do if we no longer have those three players. Times change, things change, CSs change. We have Leon and I think we'll still have Mo. We have several young DL with a lot of potential. It's time we put our defensive focus on the LB corps where it belongs, not on the DL (unless we're switching to a 4-3 full time).
My sentence structure was shitty, my fault. When I meant valuable player in the trenches I meant Mo, not Sheldon.
If he does bounce back he's not worth $19M on the cap. Put another way: which good teams are paying 3-4 DE's $19M on the cap? Any? Bueller?
Thanks for the clarification. I wondered about the sentence structure. I was truly surprised, since previously, you have always been a big fan of Mo's and SR not so much.
I disagree. How much is Watt making? What other teams have 3-4 DEs that have ever had 10.5 sacks, much less 12, or 7 passes defensed from his 3-4 DE position?
Watt is making $15M and he's twice the player Mo is with no disrespect intended to Mo. The Jets are paying Mo like he's Bruce Smith and instead he's just a very good 3-4 DE. The next highest 3-4 DE in the NFL is average 16.6M although the Texans frontloaded the deal so Watt's numbers are going down and nobody else is making more than 10.5M average. Mo sticks out like a sore thumb. http://overthecap.com/position/3-4-defensive-end/
Mo's guaranteed salary for 2017 and 2018 makes it impossible to cut him until after 2018. His bonus money on the other hand is only $3 mil per year if we were to trade him. Right now we would eat $12 mil if we were to trade him. Each year that number drops by $3 mil ($9 mil after next year). Sheldon Richardson is in a contract year.set to make about $8 mil or salary only. Leonard Williams is locked up through 2018. If we are playing chess we keep all three guys for now (Leonard, Sheldon, and Mo). Right now is the time to extend Sheldon when his value is low. With Sheldon locked up we have the option of trading Mo and extending Leonard after the 2018 season with only $6 mil in dead money if we trade Mo for a first round pick. It is a lot of money for the DL position but this way we get maximum value when we do trade one of them and we keep our options open. I do not see how we can get equal value now in a trade even if we did free up $8 mil of cap space. It is not like we can use the money to get Romo anymore.
Let's compare the two contracts. First, Mo's: Next, Watt's: Mo's contract is for 5 years and $86 million, Watts' for 6 years and $100,005,425. Mo's contract averages $17.2 million per season. Watts' contract averages $16,667,570.8333333. Mo's contract was signed a year after Watts, and we know that contract costs go up from year to year. Most consider Mo to be the second best 3-4 DE in the NFL after Watts, and most people thought his contract was a bargain until news got out about about his being late for meetings and skipping a pre-game walkthrough. Lots of people were saying the Fletcher Cox contract would help determine the contract Mo received. Cox's contract is as follows: Cox's contract averages $17,100,000 per season. IMO Mo's contract is right in line with Watts and Cox, and as I suspected, your post regarding value was misleading and wrong.
I was reading if they dump him next off season they save 11 Million on cap. I forgot how much dead $$ but i wanna say the Jets have a lot of cap room for next year to eat up some cap. Would be great if we can just unload him. He's good but at that $$ no way. We could pay the best LT Mo money and get much more value. Was that a MM deal. Wow this GM really buried us. Don't matter cause it is all coming to and end this year when we blow up. We need to prepare for rebuild. I'm tired of this losing.
In terms of the contract. That's all Idzik's fault. Could've resigned him when Cameron Jordan [where Mo is superior] or when Cameron Heyward [more still superior] was getting deals. Instead we spent money on Revis and ignored Mo. This is all on the Jets financial mishap. Still gotta keep your best players. I think Mo help Leonard far more in comparison to Sheldon.
Sheldon's perceived value in his own mind does not match your perceived perception of what Sheldon will take in a long term contract.
exactly why would mac trad for a pick that he has, at best, a 50/50 chance to of being around to execute?
I don't think this is such a crazy idea though I'm not sure Dallas is the best trade partner. Mo would yield more and/or better compensation than Richardson. Richardson would finally get a chance to play inside and should be thoroughly motivated being that he's on a contract year. The cap experts can confirm but I'm guessing the dead money is offset a bit by the fact we are essentially swapping Richardson's salary for Mo's since in this scenario we keep Richardson.
