Okay, thanks for the clarification, but I think a lot of people would take "a year or longer" to mean more than just a year plus an off-season, but maybe I'm wrong about that. In any case, I'm not bashing Macc or Bowles simply so I can come back here in two years to say "I told you so". I'm just expressing my frustration with what I'm seeing - or not seeing. What I don't see is how Hack could be judged so unprepared and incapable that he isn't allowed to even get some scrub time, and in one off-season become good enough to compete for the starting job. Something doesn't add up. I can accept if Macc said, "He's not ready. We're going to sit him for a year and then see what we've got." But I don't accept that it makes any sense to take such a player with your 2nd pick when you have so many other holes to fill. I also don't understand how, if you haven't even allowed him to get significant snaps in practice, nor even played a few series, if not a worthless end-of-season game, that doesn't show that he's way more of a project than you thought. But now, all of a sudden, he's going to be given a chance to compete for the starting job. What happened? How did this miraculous improvement occur? This is what completely undermines my faith in their ability to assess talent. Of course, just because I don't have faith doesn't mean that Macc and Bowles know what they're doing, and Hack turns out to be their FQB - and frankly I hope I am wrong. And even if I'm right, it sure doesn't mean that will change anything. Then again, no one else's opinion will change anything either.
With regards to your bolded sentence, is the QB position not one of the holes we have to fill? Is it not the most important position on any football team? If you agree with that, do you mean that you wouldn't take a QB in the 2nd round and let him sit for a year if you thought he would be your FQB within a year or two?
If I already had a decent QB I could play while the "prospect" sat and learned, like Rodgers had, Brady had, etc., then maybe I would consider doing something like that, but that's not what the Jets had. The Jets didn't even have Fitz under contract, but even if they did, he was a guy who had just had a career year, and no one knew if he could do it again, so to draft the kind of project that Hack apparently was was foolish. Look at Dallas - they took a guy who they didn't expect to play, but knew he could if they had to use him. This whole Hackenberg situation really calls into question Macc's ability to build a team. The jury is still out, but it doesn't look good.
We'll just have to agree to disagree, but I couldn't possibly disagree more with your take on the matter.
Regarding hack playing alot of it can be put on the jets CS. Being a 4th string qb he was ill prepared to play with the starting lineup and the outright stated they would not work on his mechanics till the following off season which is even ridiculous to admit even if that was the case so I do not put this all on Hackenberg.
Well what is your take on the matter? The "Waiting on a 2nd round pick to do something other than breath crowd", would like to know. You are a major proponent of all this crap. Please explain why. What can Hack do for our team in the next 1-3 years? Tell us why you have all this blind faith, what insight do you have that we must be missing?
You know, Brett Favre was drafted in the second round, and only played 5 snaps his rookie year. Of those five snaps, he was 0-4 with two INTs, and took an 11-yard sack. It is quite possible to start off worse than Hack has and still end up being successful. I'm not saying that Hack is 4 years away from three-straight MVP seasons, just that not many of the posters on here would have traded the 19th overall pick in the next draft for the guy.
Now this cannot be debated. If the Jets take a QB in Round 1 or 2 it means they have 0 faith in Hackenberg. You are right about that.
I wonder if maybe they don't have faith in petty not necessarily Hack, maybe they feel he's not pushing Hack. Maybe that is why they would take another QB in the 3-4th. Who knows.
There is a big difference between speculation/opinion and fact. Right now it's all speculation/opinion. I just choose to speculate positively.
i thought he was pretty clear that he wasn't comparing favre and hack but stating that favre wasn't favre at the same point in his career.
My point is comparing Hack to Favre is silly because there's only one Favre. And for that one Favre, there are countless QBs who had some potential going in, were that bad at first, and eventually failed. It's like saying I play the lottery, and I heard of some guy who won the lottery, so...
Aikman First start: Loss (28-0) to the Saints in Week 1 of 1989; 17 of 35 (48.6 percent) for 180 yards, zero touchdowns, two interceptions, two sacks and a passer rating of 40.2. Elway First start: Win (14-10) over the Steelers in Week 1 of 1983; 1 of 8 (12.5 percent) for 14 yards, zero touchdowns, one interception, four sacks and a passer rating of 0. Luck First start: Loss (41-21) to the Bears in Week 1 of 2012; 23 of 45 (51.1 percent) for 309 yards, one touchdown, three interceptions, three sacks and a passer rating of 52.9. Manning First start: Loss (24-15) to the Dolphins in Week 1 of 1998; 21 of 37 (56.8 percent) for 302 yards, one touchdown, three interceptions, four sacks and a passer rating of 58.6. Tarkenton First start: Loss (21-7) to the Cowboys in Week 2 of 1961; 8 of 24 (33.3 percent) for 117 yards, zero touchdowns, two interceptions, three sacks and a passer rating of 15.5. ..... I'm sure there are plenty of examples the other way around but it's not uncommon for great QBs to struggle at first. Not saying Hack will be great, just not saying he isn't.
It's unsurprising a few great QBs had bad first starts to their careers, considering even great QBs in their prime occasionally have bad first starts to a season. However, that doesn't apply to Hack because this isn't a situation where he looked alright in practice/preseason throughout the year, got one chance to start, and had a bad game. Instead in practice/preseason he displayed an alarming inability to throw the ball accurately (which everyone warned about him before the draft) to the point the team wouldn't even let him be the third-stringer until Geno and Petty (not exactly world-beaters) were too hurt to suit up.
You're right, Hack isn't Favre. I wasn't trying to say he was. What I was trying to say is that the fans on this board who are ready to bury Hack and this front office because he didn't play this season are ridiculous. The inference being that had the Jets drafted Favre and he had performed exactly as he did with Atlanta, they would have trashed him and the front office exactly the same as they're trashing Hack and the Jets today. They don't know if Hack is the next Favre or the next Rick Mirer, but they're happy to act like they've got it all figured out.
I can't speak for anyone else, but my "bashing" of Hack, is aimed towards Macc and Bowles, and I simply want to see some evidence that he's worth the pick, and the time he'll take to develop. As a 56 year fan I deserve something to sustain m hope beyond the smokescreen they're pumping out. I don't have anything "figured out", but I have doubts that Macc and Bowles do either. Until I see evidence that they do, I'll remain skeptical.
Ready to bury the front office, yes. Hack not necessarily. The front office was stupid for spending a 2nd on a project. Not your average project obviously, due to the way Hack was and is being handled. If Hack needs so much work that he couldn't play a down, especially considering last season's QB woes, then he should not have been picked until the 6th, 7th, or UDFA slots. There is no way to justify it. The "Plan" is a joke. There is nobody on the staff that can reverse his direction. So all the Hack faithful defend the situation by hiding behind the "PLAN". I feel like us, the fans, got screwed over by the front offices mismanagement. I know that 2nd could have helped our team in a multitude of ways. Instead we wasted it. There is no comparison of Farve and Hack. To even think of it is a joke. The doubters of the Hack debacle have a lot more of the situation figured out than the Hack followers. Not one person on this board is a coach or scout in the NFL, but at least the doubters have enough sense to know that draft mistakes like this, won't help this rebuild for one second. I hope Hack turns into an All-pro QB, but with the way things are working out from the top down, it isn't looking like anything but a draft mistake.
