And where do you get this from? Have the coaches or general manager come out and said that? Because that would be news to me. To me, they're doing exactly what they said they would from the start. He's gonna redshirt and hopefully compete for the job in year 2 and if not, he'll sit and learn so that he can compete in year 3. If that doesn't work, he probably gets dumped. Simple stuff really.
over the past 10 years, do you know at what age on average QBs have their best statistical season? 33! Hack is only 22! is it discouraging that he hasn't played yet? sure, but QB is such a difficult position and I think the Jets are wise to bring him up gradually. he has all the physical tools and is praised for his football acumen. we need to be cautious with this
Well there are only two QBs under contract right now. He is one of them. There is no veteran QB and we have seen Petty.
Chuck Knoblauch.....if anyone remembers that scrub....used to airmail throws into the stands from second base.
I also just went back and viewed his college footage and last season's preseason footage. I'll get to what I noticed later. The kid is smart .. no doubt about it. He was reading defenses since his Freshmen year, and that was in a Pro-Style offense. Then the shit hits the fan and he still elects to stay and play for Penn St, that shows ALOT, he coulda went anywhere with no penalty. Unfortunately, they bring in a gimmick offense and was asked to change his footwork amung other things, I can just imagine being Hackenberg and what he must have went through. He went from being at the right place and potentially growing up in a Pro-Style offense (similar to Brady's) to being coached down on a team with no talent. No wonder his numbers suffered. The sheer disappointment/ aggrevation he must have suffered, and that's before actually stepping on to the football field which is no joke for a 19 year old. A football field where he ran for his life every game and surprising only came out with the injuries he did. Tough, very tough kid. True Freshman year you could have made a case he was on the verge of a sure top 3 pick. Sophomore year after learning a new offense ,footwork and developing chemistry with teammates (they seriously found wherever they could), Im surprised it wasn't worse. Junior year, after a year under his belt, he actually improved, on a talentless team. Improving his stats enough to get the freak out of that school and declaring for the draft. He knew what the critics and scouts would/did say. Though after suffering an injury you wonder if the next one will be career ending. Getting drafted turned the page on what must of been a dream turned nightmare. Coming to a team where it was pretty much set in stone that he would be redshirting the year. I wanted him to play game 16, but I now look back and agree that he shouldn't have. The kid went through some crap at Penn St and the NFL IS WAY FASTER and the defenses WAY NASTIER. Let him feel the speed of the game slowly, let him trust his instincts once again in the pocket. Give him time to work on his mechanics and really understand how the playbook operates. Let him regain the confidence he showed Freshman year before Penn St sent him into a two year on-field Vietnam war simulation. Confidence that was surprisingly partly there in the preseason for a QB that barely received reps/snaps. I'm surprised they even started him the game against the Rams given the low snap count and the amount of coaching time they gave him up to that point. And the results of that game were what I expected due to that reason. He lacked timing, chemistry and pocket awareness. He showed the Rookie look and made Rookie mistakes, but nothing I saw made me doubt he has the skills to play the position. He showed flashes of what he could do and like Brandon Marshall said, if he comes in with the jump Petty and most other QB's do in their second year .. we could have something. He's young, very young, yet mature .. look at the demeaners displayed by other QB's his age like Lynch for example. IMO he's going to surprise some people this year in a good way and it would be ridiculous to toss him aside before he even has the chance to prove himself. He hasn't been given that chance yet, and I really hope they give it to him this year, before giving it to someone else. They need to execute the plan they said they had in place for him. Personally I like the coaching staff they brought in as I feel they are going to mesh well and help mold the young talent on our team.
Here you go. I remember Steve Sax suddenly couldn't make the throw from 2nd to 1st. A guy that could throw perfectly suddenly became stricken with the inability to make an easy 45' throw. Totally psyched out. Like his mind would freeze, or spaz that he couldn't do it, at the moment of release. Then he could never get past that point mentally at the moment of release again, free himself of it. I think it happens to lot of people, almost everyone at some point, and then they get past it, just free up from it. I can't help but think that that could be going on with Hack. If it is, he can come out of it, and be a consistent thrower. He makes any throw, any QB can make, anywhere on the field otherwise. But he may be stuck mentally on his release, at times, thinking, and not just doing, like a nano second mental spasm almost. Then again I might be hallucinating lol. "Steve Blass disease" See also: Yips Besides his Series performance, Blass is best known for his sudden and inexplicable loss of control after the 1972 season. His ERA climbed to 9.85 in the 1973 season. He walked 84 batters in 88 2⁄3 innings, and struck out only 27, laboring through the 1973 season; his -4.0 WAR that year still stands as the worst single-season WAR for a pitcher since 1901. After spending most of 1974 in the minor leagues, he retired from baseball in March 1975. Two months later writer Roger Angell chronicled Blass's travails in an essay in The New Yorker. A condition referred to as "Steve Blass disease" has become a part of baseball lexicon. The "diagnosis" is applied to talented players who inexplicably and permanently seem to lose their ability to throw a baseball accurately. The fielder's variant of "Steve Blass disease" is sometimes referred to in baseball terminology as "Steve Sax syndrome". Notable victims of "Steve Blass disease" include Rick Ankiel, Mark Wohlers, Dontrelle Willis, Ricky Romero, and Daniel Bard. In an interview years later, Blass mentioned that he was content with how his career panned out, mentioning that he had gotten ten good years with the Pirates, won 100 games, and appeared in a World Series. He did mention that the sudden death of teammate and close friend Roberto Clemente in the offseason before he lost control – and the associated grief related to losing someone so close suddenly – did not play a factor in him losing his control.
Right, he's another one. But he came out of it. He was almost finished, but he was able to overcome it
The Blass story is well before my time haha, but I remember some of the more recent examples like Ankiel and Willis. Ian Desmond had to be moved to the OF because of it. It wouldn't surprise me if Hack is dealing with some yips himself. I doubt it's something strictly limited to baseball. I'm trying to think of a football example but nobody notable comes to mind, probably because they were out of the league pretty quickly after developing it. Maybe David Carr?
Yeah, I remember Sax and the ensuing stories about Blass. And Ankiel, his story is crazy. Even David Wright dabbled with them...short arming the ball. It happens There was enough video of Hack at the Combine, and practicing with the Jets, and making weird throws, to make some of the later reports out of camp worrisome. But I'd never trust or rely on the media. They'll take one bad throw and run with it. We'll see. I'm not betting against him...yet.
David Carr had his brain bashed in early in his career. Too many sacks. Not the same scenario. Is there actually an NFL example of this?
Is it possible the Jets have more confidence in Hackenberg than they're letting on? It's almost April and he's the only healthy QB on the roster. The off-season program starts in a couple weeks.
This thinking is absolutely ridiculous. There has never been a word uttered from the coaching staff or FO that would lead to such a baseless interpretation of facts. They red shirted him for a myriad of reasons one being that they potentially knew about Gailey leaving and didn't want to have him learn an offense he wasn't going to run. I have been one of the few Hack supporters on this board and I fully understand that it could blow up in my face but at this point it's 50/50 and noone can claim to know if he pans out either way. It's a gamble but everything I have read says that he is the first to practice last to leave type of worker, intelligent, leadership skills and willing to put in the work to improve. That's the kind of player I'm pushing my chips in for.
yips are more common with kickers Mike Vanderjagt was one of the most accurate kickers that ever lived. In the 2005 divisional playoff game Pittsburgh was about to beat Indy after sacking Manning in a last ditch effort on 4th down inside their own 5 yard line down by 3. But then amazingly Jerome Bettis fumbled giving the Colts new life. Manning got them in field goal range and the great Mike Vanderjagt lined up for a field goal he made all the time. He missed TERRIBLY to the right and slammed his helmet to the ground. The yips stuck with him after that game as he was cut by the Colts and couldn't hit anything with the Cowboys, missing easy kicks. After missing 4 field goals in 5 weeks and barely making a 20 yard field goal in a game for Dallas Parcells had seen enough and cut Vanderjagt and he never played in the NFL again.
The yips are more of a mental thing as I understand it. Where you are concentrating on one thing so much that you can't actually do it any more. Then you worry about it and your muscles don't react in the way they naturally should, at which point you are basically stuffed. Golfers, kickers and pitchers I can see getting the yips, but I'm not sure that QBs would.
Why is everyone getting mad at Cimini? You've heard the phrase, "Don't shoot the messenger"? Hack has been hot garbage for a long time now. He was not well coached at Penn State. Being drafted by the Jets doesn't seem to have helped. I know it's early, but I think it is safe to say Hack will NEVER make it? Jets fans need to realize that Mac is NOT what he's touted to be? He's really been pretty terrible with the draft since he got here. The Hack pick is exactly what I'm talking about. Sometimes I wonder if we fired John Idzik and hired his son? Anyway, I think this is representative of a larger issue and that is MAC. He's been given an opportunity to fix roster AGAIN. I guess these days Woody believes in giving out mulligans? I, for one, do not believe for a second that he will start shooting aces with his drafting, like so many think he needs to be? I am already convinced he's not a good talent evaluator. I don't believe he surrounded himself with the right people. I guess we'll be in better position to say yay or nay come the end of this season. I think that's the same time we'll be shitcanning Toilet and Mac.........
"I know it's early, but I think it is safe to say Hack will NEVER make it?" Is it? It's safe to say Hack will never make it? Based on what exactly? Please inform me of where you were able to base this bold prediction. Seriously, I would love to know where you are getting this information.
We'll know based on what happens in the offseason (draft, free-agents, trades) how much confidence the Jets have in Hack.
This is accurate. If they sign a Vet jag like Chase Daniel or draft a mid round QB then you know they are going to give Hack a shot at starting. That would be a big show of confidence. If they sign someone like Cutler or pick a QB in the first round then they have given up on Hack.
