So, even if they have a losing record and show no real progress, we should keep the guys in charge so we can have "stability"? Or maybe, when you realize you've hitched your wagon to a nag, you cut him loose and get a new horse/
They're a pro sports team based in the NY Metro area! If that isn't appealing to someone, they'd never succeed here anyway.
Yes, Bowles has only had 1 losing year for one. New York is no longer the attractive draw it once was and that's become the case in all sports. It's about teams now and who wants all the baggage that comes with this one .. look how deep we dug to get our offense coordinator. Firing a coach after 1 losing year coming off a near playoff run is not going to help in drawing in coach with a proper resume. I wouldn't take a job that sounds like a set up and tarnish my good name.
The problem with finding an OC wasn't about the history of the Jets or NYC, it was about who they would be working for...a HC who is clueless, and who will likely be fired, and therefore so will the other coaches, at the end of the season.
to be fair, not sure how what other markets have their coach on the hot seat with a 15-17 record considering the roster he has had.so maybe the market did effect the oc search
That wasn't the point I was trying to make .. I only mentioned it as you posted about the attractiveness of NYC above, and I would go for being a struggling team with holes as a bigger deterrent then Bowles. The point I was trying to make was that we would have had to dig deep to find a better head coach with some type of decent resume given all the issues at this current time just like we had to with the OC position. If the roster gets better and it becomes a bit of a fact that coaches get a fair shake for this team .. it would help in obtaining a far better coach then we would now.
As long as the players show some fight and desire then I can take any record you give me - I just can't see us being that team with TB as the coach.
maybe look at the pitt qb or chad kelly later in the draft ( rounds 3-7). at least both of them are used to playing in cols, rain, and snow/wind, fro high school and/or college.
The Jets should do whatever they have to do until they have a Pro Bowl-caliber QB on the roster. Until they have a Pro Bowl-caliber QB on the roster, they should draft a QB every year and spend the rest of the draft picks on offensive linemen. If they can trade for a Pro Bowl-caliber QB? Terrific, do it no matter what it costs. If they can sign a Pro Bowl-caliber QB? Great. If they can't? Just keep drafting them until you hit on one; every year. The reason you spend the rest of the picks on offensive linemen is so that once you have drafted a good one, you can evaluate him without him getting hit 25 times a game.
My plan: I hope the Jets keep drafting the worst prospects available for the next 3 years while they keep depleting their offensive line talent and entire defense. Then, I hope they find a true diamond in the rough QB in the 7th round. A guy that surprises everyone in pre-season and looks like the real thing, but it's the same year that the Jets sign the big FA QB available, and that young guy never gets a chance to prove himself. And the smart guy jets fans on the internet just KNOW it's the right move to trade him. The next season, the Jets trade that young guy to a shitty team and that shitty team trades him to the Patriots the day that Tom Brady retires, and they extend the Pats dynasty for another 12 years. Because that is what Woody Johnson deserves.
Really, I think the whole "blow it up BS and start over" is just that - BS. This rebuild will be no different than Mac's first attempt, just he'll be starting with a few less players than the first time around. With Jets fans (and I'd imagine it's the same for other teams, although I really don't know?), they have this very rigid sense of what is appropriate to say or claim in steps? It's only when someone else thinks the current front office has been here long enough, that it's OK to shit on them. Example - When Mac and Toilet got through their 1st 8 games in 2015, I knew at the very least that Toilet sucked. You didn't have to wait until it is appropriate to say it. I knew he was a dingbat and I voiced that opinion often. Then everyone commenced to tarring and feathering me for speaking the truth. Now? Well, now they still dislike me for speaking the truth, but they just often avoid getting into an argument along those lines with me, because they knew I knew the jig was up. I knew immediately after Mac selected Verne Troyer that Mac sucked. I was kind of on the fence about Mac for a while, he did draft Leo. But looking back it's obvious now, that Mac does not deserve any credit for drafting Leo. Leo fell in his lap and that's the truth. ANY other pick this guy has made has been SHIT. The response to those posts is once again very predictable. Many in Jets land do NOT want to admit that the brand new front office they got only two seasons ago SUCKS. Therefore, when someone like me comes along that tells it like it is and doesn't really give a flying F*ck about what everyone else thinks of my posts, they automatically try going after me? Like I am some sort of bad guy for telling the truth??? Right now, we are in that in between mode with Mac. The fan base has already mailed it in with Toilet. They know Toilet sucks and they are more than willing to admit that. They've gotten angry enough now at his antics, to ignore any sort of perceived politeness that needs to happen, and they just tell it like it is? Just like I was doing long before and so many couldn't stand me for posting it. Safe to say just about everyone is on the fence with Mac right now. When he was hired? They loved him and that's all there was to it. If Mainejet said anything even so much as off color about Mac everyone would see to it that I deal with the Gang Green speech police. But now, they seen enough of Mac's piss poor, incompetent, irresponsible drafting among many other DUMB things he's done to know that NOW the acceptable thing is to be truly undecided about whether Mac's a swell guy or if he sucks. I would venture to say that veil will be off very shortly as well? If Mac f*cks up this draft, and more than likely he will, the Jets will be stuck as bottom feeders for even longer and that will anger Jets fans so badly that suddenly the time for saying/posting the appropriate things about Mac will be out the window. It will then be time to just come out of the closet and let everyone know that Mac sucks and should be fired. But just know that everything you guys post, and how you react to one of my posts is so very predictable. It's so predictable you could set your watch by it.....
To me this rebuild is still a question mark because we kept Bowles. Truthfully I don't think a true rebuild can begin until that is changed. However, I like the direction we've been going in thus far. Clear cap space & accumulate some of it to carryover for future seasons when we're competitive again. Our big expense has been Beachum and that's a deal we can get out of in 2 years when he's in his 30's and we're hopefully able to draft his long-term replacement. So far, so good, for this year in my opinion in that respect, but again, as long as Clueless Todd isn't changing and is still around, I don't have much faith in the young talent succeeding much here. That said, Mikey Mac must do better, too. His draft classes haven't exactly been stellar. Who knows, maybe he'll get someone to fall into his lap this year though like Leonard did in 2015.
#2 is the right thing to do, but it won't work unless McCagnan (picks the players) and Bowles (uses/develops the players) knows what they are doing. People forget that Idzik tried this formula..... How did that work out?
You have very right to post what you want. However your posts are just as predictable, It's like you copy and pasted the same wording in every post. You hate Lee, you hate Mac, he sucks, his drafts suck. Your smart dude, post about other things that you don't hate. Fans are not the same, some guys like to see if a HC will turn things around, or learn from their mistakes. We have seen TBs flaws, at this point there is nothing that can be done. With Mac, again some fans know it takes more than one year to see the results of a GMs draft, it's like you choose to ignore, Anderson, Peake, Mauldin, Jenkins, Burris and you don't acknowledge that players need time to develope, it's not madden football where you can go in and make everyone's abilities 100. I do agree with you about this years draft, Mac needs to kill it, plain and simple.
Mauldin has been in the league two seasons now. He was expected to have a much larger role in 2016, instead he barely saw the field? I think it is a disappointment when you see as little as we did from him. Anderson and Peake are nothing more than depth. They'll never be starters and I haven't insulted or diminished anything they've done. And when it comes to any of the ohers, I ask you... Is it too much to think that just one pick other than Williams in the 1st 3 rounds would hit the ground running? We are not on a 5 year development plan with these losers. In order to have some sort of expedient turn around, Mac needs to start picking players that contribute immediately. That's not too much to ask. Nick Mangold was very good the second he stepped on the field in 2006. Leon Washington was great the minute he started playing in 2006. Jon Vilma was great from the get go in 2004. Revis and Harris were great the very second they stepped on the field in 2007. It's not unheard of.
I'm on board with your statement about the picks from rounds 1-3, they should hit the ground running. It's unfortunate that Anderson had Fitzpatrick as his QB, otherwise he would have had 7-9 TD on the season, he was open that much. Mauldin did hit the ground running, first year he had 5 sacks, this year he had a high ankle sprain and could not get on the field for the last 5 games of the season. TB was the reason that Mauldin was sideline before his injury, he went with the 4-3 and put Richardson as the weak side LB where Mauldin should be playing if they stick to the 3-4. Is that Mauldins fault that the HC is playing a bad scheme? Jenkins came on as the year went on. Bottom line is that TB will not and cannot put the prices together, he is always reacting instead of dictating what happens on the field and it will cost him and possibly Mac their jobs.
