If I was MM, I would do my best to sign Glennon- w/o over paying. Have a QB competition between 3 young QBs in training camp, see if we have anything. Rebuild OL and secondary via the draft. If this all fails(most likely scenario) go into the 2018 with some young talent, and more cap space.
I'm happy what he is doing! Nice to see the reset button hit. It needed to be done. Maybe trade out of the 1 pick this year and get a later 1st and a 3rd or something. Start building a strong OL and ST. the rest will fall into place. Win like 3 games this year and pick a QB early next year
Good strategy, but how do you guarantee they'll only win 3 games, short of actually tanking? Keep in mind that they'll be upgrading a number of positions, and will have an easier schedule than last year when they won 4 games.
Lack of experience is a negative for Trubisky, but it shouldn't be a deal breaker. I'd take an inexperienced QB over someone who can't throw the ball on target like Hack. Sanchez sticks out in our heads because he was ours, but other QBs with comparable college experience to Sanchez are Aaron Rodgers, Alex Smith, Joe Flacco, and Ryan Tannehill. Trubisky has even less experience to the point that there's only one guy who compares to him, but that guy is Cam Newton. I'm not saying Trubisky is going to be the next Rodgers, Smith, Flacco, Tannehill, or Newton, but if I did, my argument would be as valid as saying he'll be a bust like Sanchez.
I believe a "Shady Brady" is some form of a hat that I would never wear. A Bellicheater? I think you meant a Belicheater which is a term coined by an over the hill, senile, and jealous Don Shula. A nickname assigned to the greatest coach in NFL history by jealous troll-like fans who erroneously believe the Patriots are always guilty of cheating. Belichick, a man who never invited me to Nantucket to go for a ride on his boat. Am I happy the Pats just won the Super Bowl, sure, but I am not really satisfied. I would have been satisfied if my Pats won Super Bowl III when football was really football. In 1976 when football was still football, my Patriots Super Bowl was robbed by a joke of a roughing the QB call against the Raiders. In 1986 another true football year they got their butts kicked by the Bears. When they lost in 96 I was not so unhappy because football was starting to become a wimpy game. Today they are winning flag football games, games Namath, your guy, would have had video game like stats. A football league who cares more about fantasy geeks then football fans like me. So rah rah rah, the Pats are winning flag football games. Sure Brady and Belichick maybe great, but why would I ever be putting them on a pedestal? Its not like they will ever go to my funeral. I have a better chance of getting you to go to my funeral than them. If you are still alive and have a chance to go to my funeral, make sure they bury me so that my casket is upside down, so people can kiss my you know what. Again I came on this board to talk about the Jets, my 2nd favorite football team. So yes I am crazy like the rest of you folks here. Don't ask me why I chose the Jets over all the other football teams to be my 2nd team.
Well Ok..if we are your 2nd fav team (I don't know how you pull that off? ha)..Oakland is mine BTW Its afact however BB was caught in Spygate filming other teams illegally..no hard feelings..brilliant Coach, wish we had him, but obviously fairly insecure to get caught and punished Flag football? Wow ..well I guess Mevi$ would be ready for that heh So sorry you so bitter about life...the Pats should lighten your load with some joy .. BB has earned a pedestal imo Namath wont be at MY funeral ahah but I would be honored just to meet him 1 day
Please do not confuse my displeasure with the NFL and most of sports today with bitterness. Perhaps my statement about flag football may be an exaggeration of the present NFL situation. But the game has been watered down and being a QB and a receiver is not as dangerous as it use to be. When you look at film of older NFL games, I can actually feel my adrenaline stirring up like it use to. It is sort of like comparing Roman Gladiator fights to WWE wrestling. WWE wrestling is entertaining, but will never compare to the Roman Gladiator fights. I once did meet Namath in a Boston bar, he was hanging around with Derek Sanderson, a Bruins player at the time. There was an intoxicating smell of women's perfume all around them and I think they were more interested in the pretty girls than me at the time. I do remember calling him Mr. Namath and him laughingly saying you can just call me Joe kid. I thought at the time how great it would have been to be either one of them. I would have gladly taken their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, you get my point. As to BB's filming, all NFL teams were actually doing this for years. To say he was caught would be not 100% accurate. He had cameras that were pretty obvious in his sideline that Mangini warned the Jets brass to keep a look out for. Till this day, Mangini claims all he wanted the Jets to do was stop the Pats from doing this, not to rat them out to the NFL. It appears Tannenbaum had different ideas. What's weird about the rule at the time was you can tape the opposition's sideline, but not from a camera from your sideline. Actually my recollection was the league had actually sent a memo to all teams telling them to stop taping from their sidelines the other teams sidelines. I don't know for sure if the rule has changed since then. So it may still be ok to tape another team's sideline till this day as long as it isn't done from your sideline. When it is all said and done, the whole situation was probably blown out of proportion. If the Pats were an average team, I doubt very much it would have received the attention it got. You got teams doing all other types of infractions like pumping up crowd noise, but were is the outcry today? All this crap from Goodell who is the biggest con artist about the integrity of the game is total BS. You have players on every team doing all types of PEDs, but nobody seems to care. You got an ex NFL jock Darren Sharper working for the NFL channel who has been jailed for drugging and raping women. The Patriots are no better with Hernandez, a hero with all the homies in jail today. One of my heroes OJ is no better either and we are stuck with the Kardashians because of him. Is BB and the Pats cheaters? Yes they are most likely are just like the rest of the BS NFL. Sorry I just call it the way I see them. If you seriously think that filming say 10 years ago from their sideline is what make the Patriots one of the better teams today, I would say you don't know football. I do think "Sonny" in the movie "The Bronx Tale" did offer good advise to the youngster Calegro on Mickey Mantle. I think it is good advise to all of us who think we should put any jock up on a pedestal.
If it's the whole NFL , how come we only see articles about this type of stuff when it involves the Patriots? I mean..classy teams like the Steelers..pointing out extremely suspicious circumstances after games with the Pats. If this is league wide..surely teams that play the Packers...or the Steelers..or the other more consistently successful teams would have shots like this taken against them quite frequently...no? This is a team that has been punished MULTIPLE TIMES for underhanded behavior.Not just slaps on the wrists..multiple 1st round selections.All the while they were defiant & disrespectful when being accused,investigated & ultimately punished. If you listen to what ex players,opponents & insiders have suggested goes on with this team & the espionage...and "anything for an advantage" angle..there's alot of bad evidence there. So basically you have an organization that are repeat offenders,unapologetic,disrespectful & defiant all the while...why should they get the benefit of the doubt? We aren't naive to think that some level of gamesmanship goes on. And yes things as small as pumping in crowd noise should be punished under the CBA(Which they were.They were also apologetic & swiftly paid their fine) But to compare something petty like that with blatantly video taping the other team's signals & some of the other stuff thats been thrown around over the years...C'mon.
[QUOTE=" All this crap from Goodell who is the biggest con artist about the integrity of the game is total BS. You have players on every team doing all types of PEDs, but nobody seems to care. You got an ex NFL jock Darren Sharper working for the NFL channel who has been jailed for drugging and raping women. The Patriots are no better with Hernandez, a hero with all the homies in jail today. One of my heroes OJ is no better either and we are stuck with the Kardashians because of him. Is BB and the Pats cheaters? Yes they are most likely are just like the rest of the BS NFL. Sorry I just call it the way I see them. If you seriously think that filming say 10 years ago from their sideline is what make the Patriots one of the better teams today, I would say you don't know football. .[/QUOTE] First, one of the things that pisses me off most about Pats fans is that Godell was protecting you and was your owners fleshlight for a decade while he railroaded other teams and now you act like you are the originators of hating him. Welcoem to the party, you have a lot of catching up to do. Second, yes we can bring up cheating that the team was found guilty of if you are allowed to bring up Super Bowls during this time frame to discuss your teams "greatness." Esepcially when it was the defence and kicker that won that first game. Brady was pedestrian.
I never said the Patriots are innocent. I personally think their biggest cheat they ever pulled was a fan tipping a possible winning touchdown pass in the 1961 game against the Dallas Texans. But its obvious that the so called cheating mystique of the Patriots has got into players minds. When your so called classy Steelers accused the Pats of messing with their headsets, I guess the fact that the NFL controls the headsets was never mentioned. Another case of the Pats getting into the opponents minds. When the Patriots defensive line shifted and caused the Steelers Offensive line to be penalized for early movement in the red zone, I guess they were cheating then also if you believe their QB? When Kyle Shanahan lost his play book and it was discovered that a S.F. reporter had it, I bet it still caused Shanahan to change his game plan. It is funny how teams have been so psyched out. So lets take the Steelers, for example, since you say they are a so called classy. The Steelers didn't report that Le'Veon Bell had a groin injury before this years playoff game against the Pats. Oh ya the NFL is still investigating. Their coach Tomlin interfered with Jacoby Jones kickoff return for a touchdown, remember? He got a 100K fine slap, wow that must have hurt. The champion Steelers of the 70's were accused of being one of the first teams that started steroid use in the NFL. Richard Rydze, a Pittsburgh Steelers team doctor from 1985 to 2007 was indicted for a long history of purchasing and illegally prescribing anabolic steroids, human growth hormones and painkillers. The physician was also charged with health care fraud for falsely diagnosing more than 90 patients with pituitary dwarfism so they could receive human growth hormones and drugs meant to counteract the side-effects of steroid use. In 2001 they were caught for salary cap fraud. Then there was "Shouldergate" in 1978 where they violated league rules concerning practicing in pads during rookie camp. Then there was Crampgate 2012 where Emmanuel Sanders and the Steelers were fined for faking an injury. Tarpgate in 1976, the Raiders alleged that the Pittsburgh Steelers head groundskeeper -- Steve "Dirt" Dinardo -- intentionally worsened the field conditions by hosing down the turf in strategic areas. Tampergate involving Capers in 1994, too complicated to explain, look it up. Spygate: Former Steelers coach Cowher admitted to stealing opponents' defensive signals and stated it was part of the game. In an interview with a local radio station he said: "The only thing they [The Patriots] got caught (was) doing it with a camera. We had people that always tried to steal signals. Stealing someone's signals was a part of the game, and everyone attempted to do that. The 12/4/16 game between the New York Giants and the Pittsburgh Steelers, Giants cornerback Eli Apple recovered two Steelers' turnovers and noticed that the Steelers seemed to be playing with deflated footballs. Upon testing by the Giants on the sideline, which is against the rules, both balls measured 11.4 psi and 11.8 psi. The NFL later claimed that cold temperatures were the cause of the deflated balls and proper ball procedures were followed by the Giants. Are you kidding me! If you like I could try to give you a cheating history of the Packers, or are you willing to accept my argument for the Steelers?
First, one of the things that pisses me off most about Pats fans is that Godell was protecting you and was your owners fleshlight for a decade while he railroaded other teams and now you act like you are the originators of hating him. Welcoem to the party, you have a lot of catching up to do. Second, yes we can bring up cheating that the team was found guilty of if you are allowed to bring up Super Bowls during this time frame to discuss your teams "greatness." Esepcially when it was the defence and kicker that won that first game. Brady was pedestrian.[/QUOTE] My dislike for Goodell started way before Spygate, Ray Lewis, and so on. When he went on the radio air, I think Jim Rome, and claimed how he saved someone's life in college, I knew right then and there he was a liar. As to Spygate, I am pretty sure knowing Belichick, he probably had some dirt on the NFL that Goodell and the rest of the owners didn't want to have shared. When you look at Bounty Gate and Bully Gate, various people got the shaft with unfair investigations that were done in the name of integrity. As to Brady, is he an over rated QB? Yes! The kicker Adam Vinatieri and the defense especially Ty Law should have received the 1st Super Bowl MVP. Butler should have received the MVP against the Seattle, that is why Brady gave him his MVP car. This year White should have received the Super Bowl MVP and even Brady admitted he didn't play a great game. In a QB driven league where QBs are idealized I am not surprised. Yes I can see why you hate Brady, who is good looking, has a pretty wife, gets the QB admiration from the media on how he is the greatest, benefits from a system just like Montana did, keeps winning, and will not go away! Heck there are even days I would like to see him get his bell rung, but that's my Neanderthal football side, see previous posts on that.
This team is in desperate need of an identity...they need to give us a reason to watch, something to be excited about. We need a dynamic player @ #6, a fresh young talent to build on like a Williams or a Fournette. Add a younger signal caller like a Glennon and pair him with a dynamic new weapon on offense and at least we have a reson to watch next season and have hope moving forward. If i'm Maccagnan I'm looking to pick up some 2nd tier contributors in FA that are younger and can grow with this team . The core of this team moving forward needs to be built through the draft.
Identity comes with time and stability. We can't change the direction of the franchise every couple years and expect an identity to just surface. That's why I hope Bowles and Mac are the real deal and can stay and grow here.
I'm hoping for continuity going forward , also . We need to stick with this combo of Mac & Bowles for at least another 2yrs to see if we are really heading in the right direction ...it's obvious this team cannot be judged by their record in a rebuilding scenario . Bringing in a top talent trough the draft or trading for a QB will bring an instant identity to this team and give us something to get us through the tough season we are in for . A young guy like a Glennon Taylor or even Mccarrons would instantly change the identity of this team . Now if the identity is better or wise we'll that remains to be seen . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Instead of putting lipstick on this pig we need to be patient and find value with each and every draft pick. Go all in for Garret or move down and get more picks. Players like OJ Howard and Deforrest Lamp will be there if we move down. Rolling the dice on guys like McCaffrey, Kamara, or especially Mixon can potentially give us much more value than one of the big two RBs.
My dislike for Goodell started way before Spygate, Ray Lewis, and so on. When he went on the radio air, I think Jim Rome, and claimed how he saved someone's life in college, I knew right then and there he was a liar. As to Spygate, I am pretty sure knowing Belichick, he probably had some dirt on the NFL that Goodell and the rest of the owners didn't want to have shared. When you look at Bounty Gate and Bully Gate, various people got the shaft with unfair investigations that were done in the name of integrity. As to Brady, is he an over rated QB? Yes! The kicker Adam Vinatieri and the defense especially Ty Law should have received the 1st Super Bowl MVP. Butler should have received the MVP against the Seattle, that is why Brady gave him his MVP car. This year White should have received the Super Bowl MVP and even Brady admitted he didn't play a great game. In a QB driven league where QBs are idealized I am not surprised. Yes I can see why you hate Brady, who is good looking, has a pretty wife, gets the QB admiration from the media on how he is the greatest, benefits from a system just like Montana did, keeps winning, and will not go away! Heck there are even days I would like to see him get his bell rung, but that's my Neanderthal football side, see previous posts on that.[/QUOTE] Why does it always have to be pointed against someone else with you Patriot fans? As someone else has already stated...if your gonna tout these rings...and embrace being the villian...at some point you have to own the whole package & at least accept some of this damning evidence. You roll your eyes at the proclamations made...but when we hear the nonsense that goes on...and the way the Patriots respond to it in the media...if you're an opposing fan who has had your face rubbed in it by the Patriots for over a decade..why would you feel ANYTHING but mistrust & disgust for New England? Goodell, the Steelers, Shula.. C'mon now...we aren't stupid. We know that there is gamemanship that goes on..as I already stated in my previous post. I believe the only reason football fans DON'T demand further punitive measures is b.c there is knowledge that some level of this stuff that goes on. But look at the evidence against the Patriots...look at the accusations that transpire against them(and NO ONE ELSE)..look at the way they act in the face of those accusations.. Everything suggests they take their cheating to another level. Again..if the Steelers or Packers are just as bad..why don't we see the accusations? You don't think the Ravens or Bengals wouldn't love to shine some negative light on Pittsburgh? You don't think the Lions or Bears would love to take a shot at the pack like that?It's fairly reasonable to believe that the Patriots take this stuff to a more sophisticated systemic level. There really is no evidence to the contrary & they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Kraft said himself the efforts contributed 1% to their victories. Well how many rings would the Patriots have at this point if that 1% goes in the other direction? 1 maybe 2 if they're lucky.. If the shoe was on the other foot...and it was the Patriots losing..and some surrounding rival had this wrongdoing infrastructure in place to win repeatedly...one ca only imagine the rage & stuff we'd be hearing out of beantown. The whole thing is so hypocritical & nonsensical. If this game was about what really matters..the integrity of the game...and not money, marketing & "Winning trumps all"...your hall of fame head coach would've been removed of his duties long long ago. As a Jets fan..I really have no choice but to roll my eyes & bite my tongue & as the Patriots continue their triumph. Of course opposing fans are welcome on this board. But if you expect me & all other Jet fans to simply glaze over spygate,deflategate & all the other crap....I think you are sorely misinterpreting our intelligence & passion for our team. Should we be insulted?
