There's another reason he'll bust his butt to prove himself: his dad was a professional baseball player - he wants to live up to that expectation and knows what that level of dedication takes.
Agreed. Adrian Peterson was with the Vikings for 10 years. He led the league in rushing I believe three of those years and was selected to the Pro Bowl 7 of the 10 years. If Fournette can repeat Peterson's production and length of career then sign me up. The Jets haven't had a star on the offense that wasnt a retread since Curtis Martin.
Why are you guys getting so excited about which back might be the next ADP when we can have the real thing?
It's not often that we disagree, Red, but I do in this situation. Fournette or Cook would give our offense an immediately identity. It would take a huge load off of whomever our QB will be and would make Morton's job a lot easier, and likely make him a lot more successful. It's not like we don't have any other pieces in place on offense. We have some good young WRs and Decker, and maybe Marshall. They can't build from the trenches out because this isn't the draft in which to do that. We have a decent OL except at LT. If they can fix that in FA (they likely won't be able to fix the LT position in the draft) then the OL will be ok if Shell pans out at RT. With Carpenter and Winters set as the starting OGs, I don't see Mac drafting an OG high. If he takes one or signs one in FA, imo it will be to upgrade the depth and competition. I believe that he'll either sign or draft a C to compete with Johnson. Also, based on Mac's previous comments about building an OL, even if the Jets weren't set at both starting OG positions, I don't think he'd use the first 3 picks in the draft or even 2 of the first 3 picks on the OL. If anything, he'd be more likely to use two picks from the middle and lower rounds. We can add a TE either via FA or the draft, or both, and ASJ showed some signs last season of being productive. With an OC that actually values the TE position, we could wind up ok there as well. It's not every day that one gets the opportunity to draft a player who has the potential to be a perennial All Pro. Both Fournette and Cook have that potential. While Foster, Adams and Hooker, and probably Howard all have that potential as well, I'm starting to agree with Colorado more and more that Fournette and Cook could have a much bigger impact on the team's fortunes than any of the D players outside of Garrett could. This team needs play makers, impact players on both sides of the ball. I'd MUCH rather Mac use the #6 pick on a great RB prospect than a CB.
Because "the real thing" is near or at the end of his career, is not that great a receiver, nor pass protector. He's basically a 2-down RB. Fournette is a 3-down RB. Cook is probably only a 2-down RB, unless he's used like a 3rd down back (as a receiver) rather than in pass protection. Both are also at the beginning of their careers, and could help the Jets anywhere from 3-10 years. ADP probably one or two at most, and maybe not even that, and then there's the cost.
AP or JC are not what I would consider part of a rebuild. I'm not sure they would want to be part of one for that matter at this time in their careers.
Yeah, I would be happy with either RB. I prefer Fournette for several reasons. One, I think he's the more talented and the faster of the two. Two, the Jets need a power back, and he has power, whereas Cook doesn't. Three, he's a better pass protector than Cook. The other thing is there, that if the Jets take him and get a FB too, then the FB could also block or could block while Fournette slipped out into the flats. Four, I think Fournette would be better with the Jets' OL. He can break tackles with his size and power and gain yards, and still get to the edge and take it to the house from anywhere on the field. Cook can't break tackles and get yardage on his own. He has some advantages over Fournette, but I think Fournette is closer to Cook in those areas, than Cook is to Fournette in the areas where Fournette is stronger.
Yeah both his dad and godfather played for the Mets so they'd be able to help him navigate the NY media as well.
I completely agree, and would prefer Fournette for all the reasons you state, but wouldn't cry if they got Cook. Better him than another "D" guy unless Garrett fell to them, but in that case I personally would still take Fournette. He makes the bigger impact overall, and wouldn't the Jets have to go to a 4-3 if they took Garrett? I'm not opposed to that change either, but I think it would have a negative ripple effect in the short term.
No, I don't think the Jets would have to go to a 4-3 if they took Garrett. I think he will be able to (and I forget if he already has) played standing up in the OLB role. Boy, talk about your tough choices...if I were the GM and both Fournette and Garrett are sitting there, it would be tough, but I really think I'd go with Garrett. IMO the stud pass rusher, be it an OLB in the 3-4 alignment or the DE in the 4-3 are almost equal to the QB in their ability to impact, take over and totally change the complexion of a game. It's certainly the equal of a stud RB imo. The Jets have needed a stud pass rusher since before they drafted John Abraham, and he never was all that. He'd have big games, then disappear for several games. If he had a hangnail, he wouldn't play. I think a combination of Garrett and the 3rd or 4th best RB in the draft would have a bigger impact than Fournette and the 2nd or 3rd best pass-rushing OLB prospect would.
As long as we are talking RBs, what do you guys think about taking Joe Mixon with our second third rounder if we don't go all in with the sixth overall pick and take one of the other two guys?
Yes, a VERY tough choice. I can see your logic, and might be persuaded to go in that direction, but I'm hearing some whispers that Garrett may not be as polished - and therefore not a slam dunk - as he was earlier. If I can find a link to that I'll post it. But also, having come across Malik McDowell who might be very similar, if a bit more raw, but also having huge potential makes me think I'd take Fournette, and then grab McDowell unless there was a better option.
I have real questions about Mixon and his character, but then I just found out that Cook isn't a Boy Scout either. Frankly, it seems like most pro athletes are deeply flawed characters. So to answer your question, if the Jets passed on Fournette and Cook for whatever reason, and were still looking for a game-changing back, I would consider it. BUT, keep in mind he's not as good as either as some here have claimed. He has holes in his game in addition to the character issue, but in the 3rd round he'd probably be the best RB available.
FYI: Here's an article I came across looking for my "knocks" against Garrett. I didn't find anything negative about him here, but there's some real interesting supporting info about how to gauge a pass rusher: http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2017...ensive-ends-based-on-their-college-production Based upon this, the Jets could quite likely find a great pass rusher at their 2nd pick.
So far I'm actually really happy with Mac this offseason. He's being straight ruthless with the cuts. Really the only one that I was sad to see go was Mangold. At the same time I really hope hes not dumping all this cap space just to fill it all back up with old free agents. He really needs to have a good draft and have his picks from last year to take a huge step forward. Most important thing is to build a foundation for this team so it can grow and evolve
So, if Macc were to magically take over my brain (poor him!), after much reflecting and digesting of what I've read here, and other places, here are the options I'd have, in order of likelihood: (Again, let me STRESS, this is what I think Macc will do) 1. Pick 1: Go "D". Either Foster, or if Garrett falls to 6 (no way); or Adams - 1A/Hoooker - 1B. Pick 2: Mahomes or Watson if available, otherwise highest rated LT. Pick 3: BAP at RB Pick 4: If he got his pass rusher at #1, he takes a CB/S here. Pick 5: Another CB or S or OL 2. Pick 1: Fournette/Cook Pick 2: Mahomes if there, otherwise BPA Edge Rusher or LT whichever is better Pick 3: BPA Edge Rusher or LT whichever he didn't take in previous pick. Pick 4: CB/S Pick 5: Another CB or S or OL 3. Pick 1: Trade down, preferably with Cleveland for their 12 and 33 picks. Pick 1 (Actual): Mahomes if there, otherwise Howard or Cook Pick 2 (From Cleveland): I would try to use this along with some other chip to trade up into Round 1 to get and Edge or LT' otherwise, I'm hoping I can snag one of these with this pick. Pick 3 (Orig. 2nd pick): Edge or LT whichever one I didn't get with previous pick. Pick 4: CB/S/RB - BPA Pick 5: CB/S/RB - BPA whichever one I didn't already get. 4. Pick 1: Mahomes or Watson Pick 2: BPA Edge or LT Pick 3: BPA Edge or LT, whichever I didn't get already Pick 4: RB Pick 5: CB/S So to summarize, I don't think Macc will take a QB, and I do think he'll try to upgrade both the "O" and "D", leaning towards an Edge Rusher and LT earlier because this draft isn't real deep in those, waiting until the middle rounds to grab a CB/S/RB.
