The first inkling of good Hack news

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  1. b.reyes16

    b.reyes16 Well-Known Member

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    I definitely think that could be beneficial for him. The more drops he takes, the better the footwork will get from repetition. O'Brien runs a derivative of the WCO, one that Hack was successful with as a freshman. A lot of 3-step drops and get the ball out. Now that's not to say that it was simple. O'Brien's scheme is rather complex with a lot of pressure on the QB to make the right read and get the ball into a players' hands in space. This was especially important at PSU because Hack had possibly the worst line of any team in a Power 5 conference. Tom Brady ran this system very effectively because he rarely makes a poor read. I've never seen a QB make his first read correctly as often as Brady. It's why he's as good as he is. He doesn't get hit and he's rarely wrong.

    With that said, we can't avoid the shotgun. He's gotta get more active with those feet or he's never going to play up to his potential. You can have the arm and the brain, but if you can't be decisive and accurate, this league will eat you up.
     
  2. NCJetsfan

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    OK, thanks!

    Hack may not be able to avoid the shotgun altogether, but the Jets can make it so he's only operating out of it 5-10% of the time vs 95% of the time. I think if Hack is having to take snaps from under center most of the time and making the various drops the WCO demands, his feet will stay more active. That part of the WCO I like for him.

    I just don't recall seeing a WCO that took a lot of deep shots down the field. Most WCO QBs I can think of didn't have that strong an arm, and their offense relied more on quick slants and shorter routes. I don't think that either Hack or Petty would thrive in such an offense.
     
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  3. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

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    So true.

    Hack's accuracy the biggest red flag to me.

    I can only hope the Jets develop him into a viable option under center...something they haven't been able to accomplish in a long while.
     
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  4. Jeti

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    Sean Payton runs a version of the WCO. He utilizes the short passing game, specifically underneath routes and the run game to open up things down the field where I think Hackenberg and even Petty will excel.

    I can see us going to Powell and Decker early to open things up later on for Anderson, Enunwa, Smith and ASJ.(Just basing it off this years personnel)

    New Orleans had 3 1,000 yard receivers this past season so they definitely went vertical and I think Morton will try and do the same.
     
  5. Red Menace

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    Mike McCarthy runs his version of the WCO, Rodgers is always throwing downfield.

    It depends on how it's structured, the original concept of the WCO is non existent as HCs added their own wrinkles to it.

    Gruden and Shannahan both used a run heavy version of the WCO and it worked for them. It's about the QB, if Hack can be that guy then he will be fine running the WCO.
     
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  6. b.reyes16

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    The great thing about the west coast offense is it's so effective at getting the ball in multiple players hands. You don't have you're QB getting into the habit of locking onto one guy (a la Fitz-Marshall). Gailey is good at what he does but the biggest concern I had with his offense is that you only throw to maybe 3 players throughout the game (and maybe a back). Guy designs a great offense, but you can only throw to Marshall so much before he starts getting bracketed.
     
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    This.

    Technically, the Air Coryell system is a derivative of the WCO, but that's primarily predicated on a power running game and vertically stretching the defense. Interesting how all these systems are adapted with each coach.
     
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    Ixnay on the injurhay:)

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  9. NCJetsfan

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    I sure hope you're right!
     
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    OK, thanks. I didn't realize that the WCO had varied so much.
     
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    10/26 BUF L 23-43 2 For 8 5 Yds 0 TD 3 INT
     
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    Geno had a hang over... that's my story and I'm sticking to it lmao
     
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    I just really hope the QB coach they are looking at can get the best out of Hack/Petty. I think Hack oozes potential but has alot going against him as well. I think it is imperative we get a quality TE (or 2) invest as much as possible into OL (FA or Draft) and develop our ground game. Maybe even a FB that excels in blocking...Loved seeing Lorenzo Neal blow up DE's and line backers back in the day. That's just my HO. Sounds like a lot but I think if we begin the process with solid choices it helps Hack/Petty immensely.
     
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    Least it's not.as bad as the 6 pick shit shitshow Fitz put up against the Chiefs
     
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    It would've been but Rex had the right mind to bench the guy.
     
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    Interesting note from walter football's latest mock. Has Jets taking Fournette but here's the main takeaway here...

    I previously slotted Mitch Trubisky here, citing some news story that the Jets had interest in him. Charlie Campbell squashed those reports in his Senior Bowl Rumor Mill. The scuttlebutt is that Christian Hackenberg has developed well behind the scenes, so perhaps the Jets won't give up on him without seeing him play after all.
     
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    If this is true with that trio of backs This could be a more watchable year then we thought. Forte Powell and an assumed 100% Fournette would take a ton of pressure off Hack who, in reality, we don't have any idea about yet. I'm excited to see him get soem reps pre season. Cautious optimism YAY.
     
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    Cautious Optimism indeed. I am looking forward to seeing Hackenberg. I really don't even think about the preseason game he started, he had no familiarity with the offence or the players. Not sure what people were expecting. Yes he was a second round pick but he actually played just as good as the 1st overall pick when all is said and done.
     
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  19. Jake

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    I'd call it worse.
     

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