The major difference really is the lack of experience. Brady started what 30 games in his career? Mitch is less experienced, but I see what you are saying. Brady was involved in a lot of competition in Michigan, and I think that really fueled him. They do have a similar game. Jets would really need to get into the head of Trubinsky to find out how much of a competitor he truly is and if he is a master of his craft. If they feel he's that guy, they should just take him at 6 if he's OTC.
It would be much better if the Jets traded down in the 1st, looking for a talented player at a position of need and adding another good pick or two in the process. Then if the right QB or OT is there on 15, or wherever, you can make the pick and still get more value out of the 6 on the additional picks you got in the trade down. This roster is *really* bad right now. It's bad because not enough young guys are prime, because the Jets couldn't draft for their lives from 2009 to 2014 and didn't really try very hard from 2009 to 2011 with only 13 picks over those 3 seasons. It's bad because the first two drafts of the new regime have produced ONE clearly good player at this point in Leo Williams and he was the forced pick at the start of the 2015 draft. It's bad because the majority of the veteran talent on the team is 30+ going into next season and therefore either already in serious decline or just about to enter that phase. During all my early years posting about the team's prospects I never thought they had a whiff of the Cleveland Browns to them but they definitely do now. A few more poorly thought out free agents and blown draft picks and this team is going to be bottom of the barrel bad. And nothing I've seen out of the organization to date suggests that they have any clue how to climb out of that hole once they fall into it. If the team goes for broke next season to try to win we might well get 9 or 10 wins out of it but the years after that would make even a Browns fan cry. They will make Jets fans come for the team with burning torches and pitchforks.
FWIW, it's also tough to analyze the impact that having all the defensive calls and plays had on his development. Knowing, or having a strong idea, of what defense was called likely acted like a decision enhancing drug -- like knowing what the pitch was before it the ball was thrown. By giving him this information, the Patriots sped his growth by minimizing the major flaws in his draft report. If the Jets had that type of development scheme or ability, then physically gifted players like Sanchez and Smith, or even Clemens and Ratliff, might have turned out differently. But the Jets have proven that they can't enhance or improve QB talent. That's why they should stay away from first year starters like Trubisky, and lean towards game-experienced QBs, who, theoretically, need less polish and should be more pro-ready. But, then again, it's January.
Assuming the Jets don't pick one of the frunt running QB in the first how would everyone feel about picking up Kaaya in the 3rd or 4th if he's still there. Or would would it just be better to just ride with Hack and Petty, and hope Hack progresses alot this offseason.
A trade down would be ideal...but we need to be prepared for that not being possible. This team has not had a good history of making those type of deals.Not that we've had very many trading partners.Part of the reason might be the oversaturation of press surrounding the team: It's never a surprise to opposing teams what the jets need or wanna do in the draft b/c at any given time there are 3-4 articles going viral that outline it. That can affect negotiating/leverage..and what opposing team wants to get criticized a day later for making the wrong deal w. the lowly Jets? The next best thing is likely out of Mac's book. Just take the best player b/c we need help absolutely everywhere. That said...someone who actually touches the ball,can provide some excitement & perhaps even some leadership would be the optimal choice. You can't "Plug holes" when you're dealing w. a Gulley. It just makes more sense to take the most explosive talented guy as dictated by the board. I have no problem w. taking a QB. But it can't just be a panic move. There has to be some fortitude. IE "Why is this guy a fit" "Why can we build an offense around this guy" "Why he can handle playing in NY" "Why is he different than the plethora of other QB's that have failed here"
We are about to hit the reset button and I have no issue with it. The roster is bad right now, but there is room for improvement in terms of the players on the roster right now. If I can think of one thing Bowles does well it's player development. Deon Simon, Brandon Shell, Robby Anderson, Enunwa, Jordan Jenkins, Peake and Burris have made strides. Just need to continue building this team and in a few years we might be a good team. Right now, it doesn't get worse then the San Fran 49ers. They are the bottom of the barrel. I wouldn't mind trading down, but if we can't we can get an impact player at 6 and keep building this roster. Besides, I think the Jets really need to go forward with Hack's development. Not too sure if I even want to touch an inexperienced QB.
If Godsey is hired as OC, I truly believe that Hack may be the starter for the 2017 season. Macc would look awful if he picked a QB in the first or second when he invested a high pick (2) on Hack.
Enunwa is the only player you listed who is clearly above average at what he does. I think if you look at the Jets from a rebuilding perspective, a "we're going to try to win a Super Bowl in 2020" perspective, there are maybe a half dozen players on the entire roster that you'd consider as likely to be part of that 2020 roster. Leo Williams will be 26 years old in 2020. Darron Lee will be 26. Quincy Enunwa will be 28. Brian Winters will be 29. Calvin Pryor will be 28. Jordan Jenkins will be 26. Maybe Robby Anderson at 27, although a lot of WR's blow out of the game in a few years despite showing some early promise. It's a very high variance position. The first 6 guys above have proven they can play at the NFL level, although other than Williams and Enunwa it is not clear any of them are even an average NFL starter at this point. That's an extraordinarily low percentage of talent the Jets can project 4 seasons out. The Pats are in a Super Bowl window right now (obviously) and they had 122 starts out of players 25 and younger last year. The Jets finished at 5-11, had one of the worst injury runs in their recent history and had only 3 more starts out of young guys at 125 despite all that. In other words we're not catching up to the Pats and we're not in better shape than they are 4 years down the road based on young emerging talent.
In fairness to Tom, he played in the big ten and he played well against top ranked teams when he got an opportunity. If he had been the starter instead of being platooned for 2 years he probably would have been drafted a lot higher than 7th. Trub, has not had to compete with anyone in a weak conference, so I'm inclined to believe that he is still not ready to be inserted as a day one starter for any team in the NFL. He seems smart enough to play and has size and intangibles but he still has to learn to read defenses, make calls at the line of scrimmage...etc These are things he did not do at NC with the spread offense he played in. Personally I'm tired of project QBs taken by the jets, in particular because I don't think the jets know how to develope one.
A lot of the guys listed just finished their rookie year, so we don't know truly how good they can be, but the arrow is pointing up no? They don't have to be pro-bowlers by any means, but they need to hold their own, they need to contribute. The Jets have been able to find late round gems each of the 2 drafts so far. By 2020 it's not impossible to say the Jets are in contention for the AFC Crown. We absolutely have no clue who the Jets will acquire between now and 2020. If they find an answer at the QB position, get an edge rusher, Jets will be on their way. That remains to be seen.
If we had a top coach and QB none of that would matter. Look at the Packers. They made the NFC championship because of Rodgers, but their team is crap. Replace Rodgers with Fitz and I don't think the Packers win 5 games.
so did you... Wrecked our DLine.. guys playing out of position.. He was our best player, but he made the other guys worse, not better. We were better off with Harrison, Wilkerson and Richardson. Could have used the Williams pick on a real need, not a BPA pick.
Please, let's not think Peter King is anything more than an assclown. Actually I'm still holding out a good amount of Hope for Hack. One reason is that the guy seems to have a lot of self confidence in spite of all the negative noise, and he seems to be an authentic dude. Looks stand up to me. I also don't forget some of the superb passes i've seen this guy throw, particularly the TD pass in the preseason game. It was perfect with perfect touch. I'm rooting for him hard.
Excellent point, the arrow is pointing up for some of these guys. If they are coached properly then I could see the light at the end of the tunnel. I don't believe he will take another project QB this year, he is happy with Hack and Mac will probably continue to take best player available and build through the draft. It takes time to develope players, as fans we are not very patient and we have reason not to be, but if Mac has a good draft and a good off season with FA signings, depending on what TB does with the pieces given to him. This year might not be as bad as we expect. He has to do something about that Revis contract though, that just sits there like a mill stone and weighs down the options he needs.
thats it byz......patent infringement..LOL "the light at the end of the tunnel is the oncoming kotite express waiting to deliver a 2-14 package next year". Sunday at 9:16 AM
I don't follow a lot of college ball so take this for what's it's worth, but I think we roll with Petty and Hack (plus maybe a vet). I don't think we burn another pick on a QB unless it's an early pick on a sure thing. No more later round developmental picks. We have 2 of those.
