It just bothers me a little with Hack because I never hear anything positive about him, i mean even until this day looking back looking for the positive from scouts. I barely ever hear anyone defend Hackenberg and some say he shouldn't have been drafted, so it just boggles my mind when people never bring that up about Mac. Im rooting for the guy but I'm not gonna lie and say i liked Hack after the fact. I was so stunned completely shocked we drafted him in the 2nd round. And until he proves me otherwise I'm gonna consider him another wasted pick because it makes no sense to me that he out of everyone needs a red shirt year when theres been so many others who didnt. Petty looks like another waste of a pick too, he can barely stay on the field and didnt look good while on it.To me this especially pisses me off because i wanted Jay Ajayi BAD the 2015 draft and thought he was 2nd best RB in the draft even still ahead of Melvin Gordon but he fell because of injury concerns. Now he's got the Dolphins in the playoffs. The draft I'm putting most of that on Mac and passing up guys like Ajayi can cost you your job, passing up on Eric Kendricks for Devin Smith should cost you your job, Mac has had plenty of misses too. Im willing to give those guys more time but if you're harp on Bowles and everything that he's done wrong don't forget to mention Mac aswell.
I keep asking you - which you so staunchly refuse to answer - WHY ARE YOU BLAMING MACCAGNAN FOR WHAT T-BOMB AND IDZIK DIDN'T DO? If these GMs did their fucking job right in the first place, Jets roster won't be [this] devoid of talent. Anywhere you look, you could find a gigantic, gaping hole in the Jets roster when Macc took over. And he had but 2 drafts, all summing up at 13. Idzik had 14 in one draft, and readily cut half of them before the end of the summer. YES. THAT'S WHO YOU SHOULD BLAME. IDZIK HAD A LOT OF PICKS, AND HE STILL FAILED TO BRING IN ENOUGH TALENTS. And T-Bomb? Let's not go there. He was also the mastermind of this shitshow that is the Jets. Ignoring edge-rushing OLBs, ignoring OLs - he is guilty as charged. Jets filled up two areas after Maccagnan took over. Did any of the two GMs before fill the roster with young talent like Maccagnan did? Why don't you tell me that first? 31 teams passed over some QB named Tom Brady six times. Some gambles work. Some don't. Same deal with Ajayi - not only Macc, but 30 other teams passed on him on multiple occasions. If not taking risky gamble is a reason for firing, I guess nearly every GM at work right now would be thinking about his next job. On top of that - I don't think Ajayi could blossom into a stud back here in NY. Not with the clowns impersonating the coaching staff.
Give them both another year. Dump some of these players next year. Go younger, draft well. See how it goes.
The guy walked onto a team that drafted HORRIBLY before him, and he had a salary cap floor to meet, and I'm sure pressure / demands to make it competitive quickly. Luckily, most of these free agent contracts can come off the books with minimal penalty. I'm not ready to compare the guy to Ozzie Newsome, but he definitely shouldnt be canned yet.
Lynch wasn't worth a first rounder. And thanks to all those fans who believe he was and cried about it when we didn't take him, Mac was forced to take Hackenberg in the second. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk
Honestly, my reasons for keeping Bowles are dwindling. But my stance has always been that every coach/GM combo is entitled the opportunity to insert their own attempt at a quarterback, and this regime hasn't had that chance yet. For better or for worse, Mac and Bowles both deserve the chance to see out Christian Hackenberg (or whomever they draft this year). But if they keep dancing around playing a young QB and sign another veteran stopgap, then that philosophy goes out the window and they should both be canned. Three years without an ATTEMPT at a franchise QB is ridiculous.
I totally disagree with your first sentence. It's ridiculous. You don't know how badly anyone else could have fucked up the situation, you don't know what Bowles wanted, or what Woody wanted/ordered. It was clear from the get-go what Mac thought of Fitz. Is your logic really that twisted to think that Mac would have then changed his mind and caved? That has to have come from Bowles and/or Woody.
I didn't understand the Hack pick at first. It may turn out to have been a wasted pick, but with the talent he has, imo it was worth rolling the dice. He's still young, and he could work on his fundamentals for a couple of years and still turn out to be a very good, if not great QB. Lots of posters here seem to forget that for Mac's first draft, he was dealing with the pre-existing scouting dept. which we all know was pretty abysmal. He was a rookie and his plate was full. With regards to Ajayi, I didn't want the Jets to even consider him. He has a bone on bone condition in his knees. Mac would have gotten crucified for taking Ajayi. He's had a great year this year. Let's see if he can even walk next year. Have you forgotten Dwayne Robertson? I liked Kendricks a lot and was one of the guys I hoped the Jets would pick. We had a huge need at WR as well as at ILB. Smith may wind up being a wasted pick as well. If so, Mac will deserve to get flack for that pick. Petty can barely stay on the field? OMG You guys are unreal! He has taken a beating behind the awful OL over the last several weeks. Few QBs are gonna be able to stay healthy behind that unit.
The Revis signing was the worst move Mac has made by far. Not even close. QB money for a washed up greedy CB who cost this team multiple games almost single handedly?? Revis should never ever have been brought back, let alone at that ridiculous price.
Your rationale makes zero sense. When they took Hack they knew he was gonna be a 1-2 year project. Thus there's little wonder he hasn't seen the field yet. Mac evidently thought he had the most potential of any QB in this year's draft class. He's still only 21. Why should Bowles get the chance to see out Hack? He could have played Petty earlier and refused to do so. He had nothing to do with drafting Hack. Bowles has done absolutely nothing or shown NO reason why he deserves another year. He's lost the team and that's an untenable situation. No HC keeps his job when he's lost the team. The Jets sucked in every facet of the game and Bowles sucked in every facet of coaching and preparing the team to play, and in managing games. The only thing he does well is stay calm and even keeled. Bowles and Mac should not be tied together due to the organizational structure that Woody set up. Bowles didn't report to Mac. Mac had not authority over Bowles. They both reported to Woody, and it's been widely reported that Woody is often swayed by whom he likes more or whom gets his ear last. We all know that Woody is clueless when it comes to football. It's clear that Bowles has pretty much had free reign to do what he wanted, but it's not at all clear that Mac has been able to institute the vision he has for the team. He didn't pick Bowles. Mac does deserve more time. He deserves the chance to be able to hire his own HC that will report to him. The only thing Bowles deserves is a swift kick in the ass and to be shown the door.
Idzik sucked but how is that a defense of Mac? And it is truly subjective which has done worse at this point. But we can utilize some semblance of objective criteria. Idzik stripped the team of talent, sacrificing the immediate success to create cap space for the future, leading to a 4-12 record in his second year Mac spent all the cap space, legitimately thought he had, at the least, a playoff team, and looks to have built a 4-12 team in his second year. Same record, but one of them thought they had built a 12-4 team. You're going to have a harder time arguing that person's judgement in building a team is sound.
Except it's not really fair to bash him for Revis when Woody and 98% of fans were clamoring to bring him back.
Interesting points being lobbied on both sides - for and against Mac staying. I think we can all agree that he needs to have a very sound, strong offseason heading into next TC if he wants to have any kind of sustained tenure here. There are 32 NFL teams and yet the Jets always try to get too damn cute in the draft every f'ing year. I've said this a million times on here and I'll say it again. The Jets scouting dept. clearly doesn't have any leg up on most of the other 31 teams in evaluating talent coming out of college. The draft results speak for themselves in that dept. I want to see Mac take the best guy available at our biggest areas of concern on this roster come April. No cute, project, questionable early round picks. Those picks have set this franchise back enormously and we'll be paying the price for years to come. Mac needs to take the best, immediate impact prospect on the board especially in the early rounds. He's already made some head scratchers that I don't care to discuss. That shit needs to end or those mistakes will squarely fall on him.
what has mac done to add to this team? to make this team better or put it in a better position to win going forward? has he gotten us a bunch of draft picks? no has he drafted guys who look like nfl players? no has he gone out and gotten fa that add to the team? no has he filled holes with good players? no has he made decisions on his more talented areas and have they been good decisions? yes, he signed wilkerson to a big deal. not working out at this point. he has not done anything with richardson and he let snacks who has really shown to be the lynchpin of that dline to walk. so he kept all the high round guys and let the guy who did the work go. and ill admit i didnt see it, but then again its not my JOB to see it. he should be fired for having us in a complete shit show right now, old, falling apart and full of HUGE holes. at the biggest positions in the game. NO LT, NO QB, NO rush olb or de, no great safety, no great rb. its nothing but serviceable guys and huge fucking holes. fuck that dude, he hasnt done anything worth while in 2 years but fuck everything up. and i get it idzik sucked and left the cupboards kinda bare but mac hasnt done anything in 2 years to fill them. even with all the money he will hvae to spend this offseason i have no faith he will bring in anythign that we actually need.
I must have missed it. Did a sixth round rookie win the Denver QB job or did I miss Lynch taking over? Also,
Bowles deserves the chance to start a potential franchise QB just like any other coach. The only guys he's gotten a chance to start are a stopgap starter who's sucked for 6 teams over 11 years and a guy who won't be in the league in 2018. Why didn't he start Petty earlier? I think that's evident from the last 3 weeks. Think about the QB options Mac gave Bowles this year. A project who was predetermined to get a redshirt year, a $12 million asshat who should be a backup and threw 40 red zone picks, an decent backup in Geno who got hurt in 15 plays and a 25 year old who's never started a game in the rain in his life and didn't have a playbook in college. Mac was the only GM to carry 4 QBs into the season and none of them were viable options. Is that Bowles' fault? Which one did you expect him to win with? Hell, Bowles got the only winning season out of Fitz in his entire career, which spans over a decade and a fifth of the teams in the league. That means nothing?
MM sucks!! Period. Hack with a 2nd RD and need 2 years. To me that means project. I'm all on board with Hack but not at 2. Maybe 4? Last year D Smith. 2 years and I see nada. I know the injury and all but Bottom line squat!!! I'm pissed and 40 plus years of rebuilding ...I'm sick of this!
