I'm watching the Saints/Cardinals and I'd love for Petty to learn from Brees. I have no doubt with Brees and Payton, Petty would succeed. He'd be better off there than here for sure.
When he actually had time to throw the ball and wasn't getting fucking crushed, he was pretty poor on his throwing. This is just one game though but how can we expect any improvement behind an oline that's wearing cement shoes.
i disagree....it has to be taken into consideration who is around him. yes he looks suspect on many plays but the WR and OL is not helping the situation. Conversely, prescott is having an all rookie season BUT look who is around him. I am not discounting his talent and rookie success but it sure was a perfect spot for him and he has taken full advantage of it.
and Petty isn't going to have that unless he gets traded to the Cowboys...so you can weigh all the comparisons of what each player does and doesn't have, but Petty is never going to have that in New York because by the time the Jets could assemble that talent, there would be a new coach and likely a new GM and his rookie deal will be over. You can be "right" that in a vacuum that maybe Prescott doesn't perform either, but there is no vacuum. If the QB is on the team and he can't play with what he has...then he can't play.
4-5 games on a team thats already on holiday is a tough assignment and pretty much all he can do is make sure he's on the roster next year and with a chance of competing for the starters slot (short of some Brees/Rivers trade). I could post up a load of stats for the first 3 starts of our QB's going back to Sanchex and adding Brady, Taylor and Tannehill in the mix but it's all rather samey (Taylor actually has the best stat line). It comes down to the eye test; Does he look like he can recognize the blitz and coverage? Can he make the throws? Can he go through progressions? How is his pocket/situational awareness? For me, he's shown flashes of doing so and I'd rate him as better then Geno and I'd be comfortable going into next season with him as the starter (recognising he is still going to make rookie mistakes) rather then roll with Cutler, RGIII or Kaep or resign anyone else we got on the roster.
Totally agree with you on this. In one week I saw progression on his reads. He has the tools to make all the throws. Its more the blitz recognition and throwing the ball away that he needs to work on. The last one i think he can get easily enough. But reading the blitz? I dont know enough to know why he is taking all these sacks. To me, it seems like the line. But I would love to see a breakdown by someone more knowledgeable about the sacks he has taken these past two games.
Petty's first drive against the Fish showed a lot of promise. In particular, that audible -- which produced the TD -- was everything I'd hoped he'd be. Certainly, he make many, many rookie-esque mistakes, but that's to be expected. His hard counts drew three neutral zone infractions. Whether he always had it or learned from his redshirt year, Petty seems worth keeping around next year. While I wouldn't hand him the job, I can see that argument. I can also see letting him compete against Hackenberg and a veteran or rookie, too.
Yep, I looked at his stats from his first three starts and he is basically middle of the pack when compared to Mariota, Winston, Carr, Bridgewater, Geno, Sanchez, Goff, Bortles etc. I think that bodes well given he has much less practice with the ones than these guys (all except Goff had 1st team reps through training camp) and he is playing for a team that has been gutted by injuries and veterans giving up. I am optimistic he can be a good QB. I am also optimistic the Jets will find some way to screw him up.
Here are Eli's 1st and 2nd year stats.. Year Team G __Att__ Comp__ Pct__TD__ Int 2005 New York Giants 16_ 557__ 294 __52.8___24___17 2004 New York Giants 9 _ 197 __ 95 __48.2 ___ 6 ___ 9
Year Team____________G ___Att__ Comp__ Pct____TD__ Int 2005 New York Giants 16_ 557__ 294 ____52.8___24___17 2004 New York Giants 9 ___197 __ 95 ____48.2 ___ 6 ___ 9 There.. should be readable now..
Thanks for the effort and yes, it's much more readable. Now I have to hire a midget to hit my nuts with a hammer.
How does Norv Turner sound as the next OC? If anything - he did build two potent offenses in the past [Cowboys, Chargers] unlike this failure of OC we have right now. [Case in point: Jets Monday night miracle was assisted in part because this Failey was the OC of the Dolphags that night.] ============================================================== Ok. That's my delusion + stupidity talking. With that off, let me vent off a little. I came across a rather scathing report on Petty's performance during the last game. [http://www.ganggreennation.com/2016/12/22/14048416/bryce-petty-a-look-at-the-three-turnovers] After reading this - I started thinking - is it all on Petty? Okay - I've taught for quite a while in the past, and this is my experience as a teacher speaking. Throughout my teaching experience, I have never encountered a single student that was eager to fail the course. Even those who didn't do well didn't quite start with the intention to fail either. When the student shows every intention to succeed, and shows more than good enough effort but still comes up short - then there is only one person to blame: the instructor. Either his preparation is not complete, or his presentation of the material is defective, or [whatever], but that's where the blame goes. I was reminded of this while reading the ganggreen article. Ok - Petty is showing a lot of glaring weaknesses. But what if that's about as good as he can get, based on the instructions he received? Then I realized, he was learning from Chan Gailey - and I can't think of any good QB that Gailey produced. His offenses always was mid-tier at best [Ok - that was more than refreshing after half a decade of Brian Schottenheimer and Tony Sparano, but that's still not good enough.] If you look at any pro-level playbook, you will easily see the protection scheme, with focus on where the Mike is, and the blitzer from the left/right are. Everything is carefully calibrated - so maybe Petty didn't see the blitzer. Ok. that's on him - but if he could recognize the direction of the pressure all the time, then he wouldn't be a first-year QB anyway. Moreover, if the toolkit at his disposal was adequate, maybe he wouldn't have been [that] bad. If there was a coverage that Petty just did not anticipate, then that goes all the way back to the game planning - which is squarely on Gailey, not Petty. That's when I started thinking - maybe Jets need someone that can oversee the development of a young QB. You know - like Norv Turner. [Aikman and Rivers are damn good QB project on a resume, to me at least.]
He's been thrust into a pretty shitty position in terms of his future. He got roasted for not taking chances against the Rams, then he gets a 4 game evaluation with all but one backup on the offensive line, along with his #1 1,500 yard receiver that has completely checked out. Petty doesn't want to throw the ball away. He has four games to prove that he is even worth going into 2017 as an option and as a result he has to wow the coaching staff to try to make him as a starter next year a reality. I think it's less of him as a player being reluctant to throw it away and more of him holding onto the ball for dear life constantly trying to make plays to prove his worth. That's why four games isn't enough to truly evaluate a quarterback especially when we've basically been eliminated from playoff contention since week 9. Young quarterbacks need some time to get into the flow of not only a game, but a season, along with syncing up with the offense and the revolving door of an offensive line. It's not fair to the player at all, but Petty is doing everything he can to try to make plays. It sort of reminds me of how Andrew Luck plays knowing he's the $30 million/year player with no defense and one receiver and that's about it. Feeling as though you have to make every play for all 22 players on both sides of the ball forces a player to make some of the big mistakes we've seen. Way to go Bowles, Maccagnan and friends. This is exactly the worst case scenario no one wanted in unfairly evaluating a player. We'll exit this season with tons of questions as to who he is as a player, because we NEEDED to play Fitzpatrick against New England and Indianapolis. Disaster.
The NY Jets continue to prove that they suck at developing quarterbacks. Maybe Petty should piss off a linebacker and get socked up.
Thanks for passing along that article. It was a good read and nice analysis. The main message is you can't have 3 turnovers in a single game. No duh! The takeaway for me is Petty is not being careless like Fitz or Geno were. He is either making decent reads but missing throws, which can be improved upon with reps. Or he is seeing new coverages like DE's pass protect which he will learn to manage with experience. Par for the course in game 4 of a pro QB's career.
