Rich Cimini-" Drafting another QB would show GM is clueless"

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  1. BigSnacks54

    BigSnacks54 Well-Known Member

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    They thought Abduallh was better than Johnson. They were lucky that the Lions took the inferior player and that the ended up with the better player in Johnson who they deemed to be inferior to Abdullah before the draft. It's not just good scouting. You NEED alot of luck to build a superbowl contender in a capped sport,where you need to project how collegiate players will adapt to a faster and better professional game And I'm not going to give the Cowboys credit for development. Zach Martin would have been an all pro regardless of the team that drafted him. The same applies to Frederick. Seattle picked all pro after all pro in the mid rounds/with day 3 picks. Do you really think that just happened because of good scouting? Once again I'm not saying that having a patient, resourceful, or smart FO is not necessary. Nor am I suggesting that luck is the only major component. But you can't look at the Patriots, Seahawks, Cowboys, Steelers, or any other contender and tell me luck wasn't one of the main determining factors in becoming contender
     
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    BigSnacks54 Well-Known Member

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    He probably wasn't better during his first two years compared to last two. We were just making excuses, because he was the "Golden boy" who we hoped would be the franchise savior. And the team was winning as well. But in hindsight, when you look at some of his performances, he was absolutely terrible.
     
  3. Snoopdogg

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    Four groups, actually - elite, good, average, and playing for the Browns/Jets.
     
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    TwoHeadedMonster Well-Known Member

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    Mark Sanchez was better at hitting the trailing foot of a crossing receiver than any QB who has ever picked up a football.
    Anybody who says otherwise better be ready to fight about it.
     
  5. Wahoo

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    It's not the fan base that needs to get its shit together. It's the joke of an owner
     
  6. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    You're talking about a guy that spent his early years as the black sheep at the rich kids resorts. That skinny awkward little guy who doesn't know how to talk to anyone in a room full of alphas.

    He could have found a spine and taken control of the family empire and become an alpha, but that's not who he is. Instead, he meandered around trying to figure out who he was, and ended up buying himself a snakebitten football team when an old man died and few others were interested. I think he probably thought that using heir money would buy him a seat at the grownups table, but I guess he didn't realize there was a separate table for the weaklings there as well.

    He's now competing with 31 other billionaires, most of which would have been the BMOC at Woody's childhood resorts.

    He's always going to be a weak little shlub no matter where he goes, and he's the owner of the Jets.

    The story writes itself every year.
     
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    He'll be a yes boy over in England too, out of his league, but be a part of the world order as it goes down.
     
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    I died
     
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    I will say this about the cowboys drafts......not sure how great a scouting job it was. Yes they got real good players but those guys were, at draft time, right at the top of their category. So, if one was to wake up from coma at the draft and told to pick OL, they līkely select those same 3 guys. I remember being heavy for the jets to take martin. LOL.

    The key issue with their drafts was the absolute commitment to the OL and ignoring their owner.
     
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    The Titans are better at running than passing, but passing is what correlates more with wins.

    The Giants use the run game strategically, but they're winning despite it, not because of it. And if Eli were to get hurt, the team would collapse.

    I know losing Romo and Bryant cost the Cowboys last season. The point is having an elite OL wasn't enough to save them.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I think he'd be in hog heaven, mainly because they're mostly polite while they insult you.

    But it's a moot point, because a guy like Trump doesn't appoint a wet noodle like Woody to that kind of office.

    Come on. Trump is mister "I'll do everything better in every way" guy.

    Woody helped him with raising funds. Woody's reward is that Trump went out and highly publicized Woody as a "contender".

    Woody Johnson is fit to be an ambassador for nothing but weakness, and even a butthead like Trump knows it.
     
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    Yes, good scouting is the foundation of picking successful players. Its not like they picked the players out of hate.

    Luck is the smallest portion of it but at the end of the day it comes to down to smart scouting, good player development and said player pushing himself to get better.
     
  13. BigSnacks54

    BigSnacks54 Well-Known Member

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    'This isn't how it works, but you continue to be wrong about this. If you look a the bust rates of guys taken in round, let alone day three, you can't help but come to the conclusion that luck plays a major role in team's becoming contenders.
     
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    If it's all luck how do you explain guys like Ron Wolf who found 2-3 great players every draft?

    The facts are I think the fans on this board could be more successful than Idzik and McCagnan because just like fans on this board they are amateurs.
     
  15. BigSnacks54

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    The best drafters in the league don't find two to three elite players every draft. Look at the drafts of some of the highly touted GMs over the last few years. They've had their fair share of busts drafted. I think McCagnan has been overrated by Jets fans for a while. I'm not sure what makes him better than Idzik.
     
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    I somewhat agree, but I don't think luck plays into it nearly as much as you insinuate. There's a reason that there are franchises like the Packers, Patriots, Steelers that have been perennial contenders for the past 15 years. There's a reason franchises like the Ravens, Giants and Cowboys are susceptible to a down year but they very very very rarely have two back to back down years.

    There would be a lot more parity among the crappier franchises in the NFL if luck played the larger role you claim it does. Franchises like the Browns, Jags, and Rams would not be in the gutter for most of the past decade if they lucked themselves into players.

    It all starts at the top though. Properly run franchises have a vision that starts at the top and put together winners down to the way merchandise is sold at the games.

    One of our biggest problems is the lack of a uniform vision for how to build a winner. We have to put everyone on the same page. That's a big reason why hiring general managers (who hire the rest of the scouting department and front office) need to hire their head coach. It's clear with the Jets,in back to back regimes, that the general manager and coaching staff can fake their way through working together, but there is no uniformity in the vision and really hasn't been since Mangini was here.

    We are unsure of our defensive identity completely. That's troubling considering our head coach is supposed to be a defensive mind.

    To sum it up in simpler terms though, this is a gigantic clusterfuck.

    Next time we hire, we need to hire a guy to run the ENTIRE football operation. He needs to bring in all his people and they need to all sit down and map out a blueprint for how to be successful. Idzik and Maccagnan obviously had a plan, but it didn't and doesn't seem to match up with the coaching staff.
     
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  17. SouthBayJetsfan4life

    SouthBayJetsfan4life Well-Known Member

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    You can't keep on drafting QBs hoping to hit on someone. It just doesn't make sense and it's not very efficient.
    Sign a vet and go through the growing pains of a young QB.
     
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    Thats the whole point, they are trending up,
    they have a foundation that they are building on, a good oline, balanced offense with a good QB, they did not select a QB in back to back drafts and pass over good olinemen until someone stuck.

    That's just wasting picks that you can use to build the team that can help develope a QB.

    Do you think they would be 8-6 if they did not have a good running game and simply relied on Mariota to do all the work because it's a passing league?


    Here is an article I found and I just copied some paragraphs.....

    The Titans are playing old school smash-mouth football, let me rephrase that, exotic smash-mouth football in a pass happy league and are finding success.

    The Titans are built for playoff football. Quarterback Marcus Mariota has shown incredible growth and maturity in his sophomore season, the defense is attacking, the offensive line is one of the best in the league, and the scary running back tandem of DeMarco Murray and Derrick Henry is brutalizing defenses.
     
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    With what has been said....We look at teams like the Cowboys who have everything in place to have Prescott succeed. Good oline good defense and special teams not having him start deep in his end zone almost all the time. Now to flip the switch the jets essentially have everything in place to have petty fail in comparison.
     
  20. TwoHeadedMonster

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    I agree 100000%. Their O-line and the threat of their running backs has everything to do with making Mariota's workload manageable. Their tight end serves as a perfect safety valve, too.
     
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