Any chance Watson drops to us early in the second? Looks like dynamic and explosive player. I'd stash him away with hackenburg until the 2018 season. Let Petty and whatever vet they sign battle for the 1st and 2nd string jobs. If we're guna seriously cut the dead weight and strictly rebuild next season then we can afford to keep 4 qbs again. Then once team is refreshed with new talent we have 2 qbs to test under center with a hopefully rehabbed offense .
I couldn't disagree more with Cimini's premise. Until you know that you have found THAT guy at QB, there is no reason to ever stop drafting QBs. The jury is still out with Petty and Hackenburg. They should draft a QB every year until they find one. I'd be okay with drafting one and having a 3 way competition. That's how the Seahawks found Wilson. If Watson falls to us in round 2 it is probably worth a shot, although I hate the Jets 2nd round picks because they ALWAYS seem to become busts.
BOB isn't the GM They invested 72M into Brock If they were willin to give up something to get the kid then you keep him because that likely means he could be special. For once they let a QB sit and learn for at least a year and we are trying to get rid of him.
Agreed. Dallas is the exception rather than the rule. Besides, once teams start copying a trend, the good execs have already moved on to something else than will become the next fad.
I disagree big time. This isn't the wildcat offense or hiding weaknesses with one great player. Putting together a great offensive line is not some wacky or innovative scheme that's going to get figured out. Having a great offensive line always travels well and its been a staple of most good NFL teams, and all great teams, since the league started. Dallas is simply copying a long line of NFL teams that won with great offensive line play: most of NE during Brady, Giants under Parcells, Dallas in the 90s, 49ers in the 80s, Broncos early 2000s, the greatest show on turf Rams, etc. etc. I could go on and on. Obviously great offensive lineman don't grow on trees but at the same time most teams don't dedicate enough resources to the position and get distracted by other nonsense... Dallas didn' t budge and its paying off. When everyone wanted them to make the sexy move and draft Manziel they took a ham sandwich OG in Zach Martin who killed everyone at the Senior Bowl, now he anchors that line. When our Jets were looking at Geno Smith they were taking Travis Fredrick and getting KILLED by the media for it, now they got the best center in the league. I could go on and on here. -- The jets always go the "sexy" route. We can't take Cam Robinson this draft because its not "good value" from where we will be picking. I'll tell you what is "good value" ... having a monster run blocker at Offensive tackle, that would be nice. I'll be ready for Leonard Fournette or some Cornerback though. yay
I wouldn't call it copying a blueprint. I doubt they went into those drafts saying they had to rebuild the OL; it's more likely that the draft board just fell that way. A great OL is very important, but the Dallas blueprint consists of getting lucky and drafting three all pro offensive linemen. As for the Jets OL, I think they have very good guards.
no it was not an example of them just getting lucky. They were patient and they have made the offensive line a priority. Our Jets have taken 2 offensive lineman in the first 3 rounds in 10 years. Dallas has taken 6. 7 if you want to count La'el Collins who would've been a 1st round pick had he not been questioned in the murder of a pregnant woman.
The Dolphins and Rams have made the OL a priority over the last few years and their lines still are terrible. The Cowboys drafted the best LT in football, guard, and center. That didn't just happen because they made the OL a priority. A large part of that is luck. The Jets need to shore up the tackle situations, but the future of the line is not nearly as bad as it's made out to be here. Winters has improved this season and Carpenter has been stout as well. They have have a fairly solid interior line.
Anybody ever looked at our 1965 draft? Were Weeb and company clueless when they drafted 4 quarterbacks in the same draft? Rd 1. Joe Namath, QB Alabama Rd 2. John Huarte, QB Notre Dame Rd 4. Bob Schweikert, QB Virginia Tech Rd 7. Archie Roberts, QB Columbia You only have to hit on one to be a winner!
the Dolphins offensive line is not terrible at all this year and its a reason for their resurgence this year. I would kill to have Laremy Tunsil and he is a big reason why Ajayi came out of nowhere to run all over everyone during their winning streak.. idk enough about the Rams to suggest you are right or wrong
I agree with you for sure. Anyone remember some guy named ferguson and mangold. Same jets draft. That was probably one of the best drafts the jets had to be solid on the oline in like....Forever.
They picked the right players, that's not luck. They coached them up, developed them and it's paying off.
You have to do this in a bigger context than just build the line and the championships will come. The Jets took D'Brick and Mangold in round 1 in 2006 and are 83-89 since then. The Browns took Joe Thomas and Alex Mack in 2007 and 2009 and are much worse since then. The Jets do need to build the line at this point but taking a couple of offensive linemen and then getting OCD about it and going back to defense the next couple of years will just put us back to square one again. What the Jets need to do at this point is go all Manhattan Project on finding a solution to the long-term franchise QB question. Then add in build the line to that and the championships may come if we also get lucky in other areas. Neither the Jets nor the Browns could find the QB, so drafting 4 of the best offensive linemen of the last decade in a short period of time meant almost nothing in the end. The Cowboys built that great line and almost saw it all come to nothing when Romo suddenly turned into Mr. Glass at QB. They had to luck into Prescott and get a high pick for Elliot to make the linemen and the star WR actually mean something this year. Coulda been 4-12 again really easy, like last year.
Let's look at the O-lines of the Super Bowl champions of the past decade. Rankings from Football Outsiders. Key: Team (Run Blocking, Pass Blocking) 2006: Colts (5, 1) 2007: Giants (3, 11) 2008: Steelers (26, 29) 2009: Saints (1, 4) 2010: Packers (23, 21) 2011: Giants (28, 6) 2012: Ravens (6, 13) 2013: Seahawks (9, 32) 2014: Patriots (5, 2) 2015: Broncos (17, 13) Average: (12.3, 13.2) So the average SB champion has an above average but not elite OL. Which is something you could probably say for any of their position groups. So by all means, build up your OL. But it isn't a magic bullet, and building up other positions will help as well.
Yeah, this. Why the fuck would I put special stock in a guy who's been entrenched in the Vichy Jets press for 25 goddamn years? Tell me scores and stats, newsboy. Leave everything else to. . . . well, just don't.
2006-HOF qb 2007-2011-HOF qb's 2013-HOF qb? 2014 & 2015-HOF qb's You can get away with an above average offensive line in all of the scenarios that you mentioned. Now with most Nfl teams not being in this fortunate position, they need to have offensive lines a la Dallas and Tennessee.
That's a strange argument. Put *rookies* like Elliot and Prescott behind Ijalana and Qvale and the Cowboys record wouldn't look too good either. Unless you can somehow prove they are Canton-bound based on their college careers. Prescott is in the best situation of all rookie QBs. You can't evaluate Hack if he's running for his life.
1. I think the best takeaway from your post is we should get a HOF QB. 2. Dallas is hot this year, but they sucked last year with the same OL. Tennessee hasn't won anything. 3. The only team on the list that won with a crappy QB is last year's Broncos. Peyton's a surefire HOF, but he was bad last year. And Denver's OL wasn't anything special.
1) Yes along with 20 or so other teams. What I am saying is that most teams do not have a HOF qb. And until one is obtained (if ever), teams had better emphasize having an almost elite offensive line. That would help whoever your qb is as well as hopefully assisting in having a competent running attack. 2) Dallas has an elite Rb now and what looks like a competent rookie, but I am not 100 percent sold on Prescott. Tennessee has not won anything, yes, but there line is solidified and Mariotta is a duel threat and appears to have the makings of a franchise Qb. They also have an Excellent rb. 3) Agree with that point but had an elite defense.
