No to Fisher, Gruden is a pipe dream. Westhoff? If I'm Maccagan, I'm begging Westhoff with all my heart to come back and coach special teams. I believe that ship has sailed, unfortunately. I don't know about his ability as head coach. I'm not opposed to giving Bowles another year, either. I feel like Bowles has improved with his awareness since earlier in the season and is legitimately trying to be strict with discipline and keep the team together. He's had his issues, but I feel 2 years is too quick to judge.
Woody's got this. He'll let Mac hire a HC. Then he'll fire Mac. He'll hire a GM, Then in two years we'll hear about how the HC isn't the new GM's guy. Then Woody will take charge again Amirite?
You want the Jets to hire Jeff Fisher? Jesus Christ some fans man. Give me Todd Bowles everyday of the week over Fisher.
Honestly, I think they're just going about picking coaches all wrong. Our defense is weak, so pick up a good DC. He fails. Our team is a bunch of loudmouthed hooligans; get a guy with almost no personality to speak of. That didn't work out. What happens when we get an OC for our new coach? Maybe we get a little better production on offense, but our defense suffers. This may be the toughest way to go about it, because it requires looking at intangibles, but the next coach simply needs to know both the game and players. Bill Cowher was an offensive coordinator, and he still built some of the best defenses in the NFL for 13 years. He also was a great offensive coach. The team made the Super Bowl with fucking Neil O'Donnell at QB. The guys just knows football. The same deal with Parcells: He came from the defensive side of the ball, but was able to make the Giants a powerhouse for a decade with only a handful of notable players on offense, none of whom rank near the top of greatest of all time. Not only that, but he brought the Patriots to the Super Bowl, turned us around completely, and brought the Cowboys back to relevance again. So my point being, you need someone who can coach; not a guy who has a specialty, but a guy who knows the entire game and how to get the best out of his players. I don't think any of the guys listed, except maybe Westhoff, have anything to indicate they have the knowledge to lead a team to glory. Fisher's greatest claim to fame is that for some reason, the Oilers/Titans gave him forever and a day to accomplish something he ended up failing to accomplish. Gruden inherited a team of future Hall of Fame players the Dungy built. He was lucky enough to face his old team in the Super Bowl, only to learn that the Raiders had stupidly not changed anything since he left. SB XXXVII was like spygate without the need to spy on anyone. Other than that, Gruden has only a so-so record. Westhoff would be a great choice if he didn't appear to be on the brink of death.
Great organizations change players before they change coaches. Stick with Bowles until we have a team that leaves no doubt in our munds that its the coaches fault.
You're absolutely right - the difference is in the coaching. BUT, I also don't believe that leopards change their spots, at least with a team they're already coaching. You set the tone right away, and that's what the players expect. I don't see Bowles being able to reinvent himself into Belichick II. There is another difference - player attitude - "heart"...a player has it or he doesn't, and this is why the players you draft/sign need to already have this quality because you can't teach it. The Jets for too many years have seemed to have ignored this fact, and instead went with the numbers. I think is was Dark Knight you mentioned Danny Woodhead yesterday - that was a guy who was an over-achiever and an inspiration to those around him, so what did the Jets do? Cut him. And who signed him in a heartbeat? Belichick. There in nutshell is the difference between the Pats (Winners) and the Jets (Losers), and it drives me insane.
I'd imagine Jeff Fisher's time in the NFL is done. He's had a nice long mediocre run. Gruden isn't leaving the job where he works 150 days a year at most (with ESPN appearances and such) to come coach a team with a quarterback he's stated he doesn't believe is ready to play. I also can't imagine a guy who has been out of the league for coming up on a decade, to come back and be successful. Dick Vermeil is the exception, not the rule. Let's try to get a guy whose been in the league especially with how much the game has changed. I don't understand the infatuation with Westhoff. He spent 30 years in the league as an assistant and coordinator and never once was offered a head coaching job (probably never even really got an interview). There's a reason for that.
For real. Jamie Collins not buying in? Enjoy your 0-16 season in Cleveland punk. While Jet players can literally lose multiple games by themselves and no repercussions. There is probably an APB out for that poor chump who booted the punt last night. Second round pick, Hoodie doesn't care. Will be lucky if he isn't found floating face down in Boston harbor.
Belichick, Parcells, even both Harbaugh's would've cut the sorry excuse for a quarterback that is Fitzpatrick after his fucking nonsensical press conference complaining about how the franchise doesn't believe in him. It still bewilders me how they kept that bum on the roster after those comments. Life of a Jets fan, I guess. It would've been good for the franchise IMO. Put everyone on notice that that bullshit won't be tolerated and you better perform without whining for being benched if you don't.
I think that KC game, where Fitz was allowed to stay in the game and throw 6 picks, was the turning point - for the worse. How can you let a QB stay in the game like that? And then when he was finally benched and complained and then subsequently reinstated, well that just sent a LOUD message to the team and everyone that mediocrity (or worse) will be tolerated. To me, this is why Bowles should be fired.
FWIW, I actually loved Bowles' answer to him - "be pissed off and stop throwing picks, that's fine with me". Too bad it didn't take
yes sir you got it right... except for one point. he will hire the new gm and then tell him he HAS to keep the current head coach. and the new gm will undermine the hc so he gets fired. and then he will get fired himself. #fuckwoody
I don't doubt that this was his response, but did he really say this? I hope so. Fitzpatrick, the heralded team player, really turned out to be a major disappointment. Not only in play, but in character. I guess cutting him would've caused somewhat of a mutiny with his buddies Mangold, Marshall and the other underperforming veterans, so maybe Bowles and Mac were keeping the peace by keeping him around.
This....only I would have used Bowles keeping Revis on the field as a reason to fire him. There are so many young players out there who never get a chance, and then you keep a washed up guy like Revis out there who can't even play the position anymore, all because it's the 'politically correct' thing to do after your owner/boss payed him $17M. Shows me Bowles has no Balls. No Balls Bowles. Say THAT 10 times really fast!
