tbh, I'm losing track of what we're discussing. lol. Obviously there would be threads about looking toward next year, but I don't think anyone would be calling for Bowles' head less than a full season into his "tenure," no.
So he is a victim of his own success? wonder how such a bad coach mustered the success to make himself look bad?
I'd keep Marshall and force Harris to restructure or he's gone. Also forgot that we'll likely cut Giacomini as well freeing another $4-5 million. I'd like to see the young QB's have proven NFL targets to throw to. While I like Enunwa/Anderson/Peake we still need at least one 'top' flight player to compliment them. Keep Decker & Marshall for one more season until we're completely sold on the other three. I'd like to see us do our best to sign a big time tackle. The only relatively young proven free agent tackle is Riley Reiff and he's not really a sure thing and is probably better suited to play RT which would be fine. But we need at least one free agent tackle IMO since Robinson is likely the only first round talent coming out and there's a lot of question marks surrounding him.
How many times have franchise QB's carried terrible supporting casts to a SB victories? How many times have great supporting casts carried game managing QB's to SB victories? Honest question.
I don't think last year is necessarily relevant. In his second year, when he should be improving, his team is totally imploding. What are your feelings about Rex, who went to the CCG his first two years?
if last year isn't relevant, why the expectations that he should be better than he is right now? many on this board felt like this is where we would be this year. the roster is not that good and the qb is garbage. rex had 4 years after the afccg to right the ship again, i don't see how that is comparable
I wasn't clear enough with my question. I'm not asking whether there would have been calls for Bowles's firing last year if we had a losing record. I'm asking whether there would be calls for Bowles's firing this year if we were also crappy last year (i.e. lower expectations for this year).
Rex earned those years by winning a bunch of huge games early on. I don't even mind if Bowles gets another year. I don't dislike him as much as most do. If he's back, I'll be rooting for him like crazy. But I think it's hard to ignore that the warning signs of "bad head coach" are reaching critical mass. Too many no-show guys on game day.
Thank you for the clarification. My answer is: it's not so much about the record, it's about current glaring problems on the field that point directly at coaching.
I don't think even a HOF QB can carry a "terrible supporting cast" to a SB, let alone win one. But They can get close, and I'd take that for now. No matter who the QB is -Namath, Unitas, Starr, Staubach, Bradshaw, Montana, Manning (both), and of course Brady, they all had great talent around them. And even mediocre to poor QBs like Joe Kapp, Jim McMahon, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, to name a few got to a SB because they had great talent around them. Look at Mark Sanchez, who despite being ridiculed here and elsewhere, was able to take the Jets to within a game of the SB twice before the talent around him vanished and then wasn't replaced. So a great QB isn't necessary to get to a SB - although I think it is to WIN one usually - but you definitely need great talent around him. What this means for me is, first you need great coaching - the Jets haven't had that in years. Second, you need multiple offensive weapons so that you don't ask a QB to do more than he's able to. Specifically, the Jets need a stud RB IMO as the next critical piece. This would take a huge load of whoever the QB is. Next, they need to get a stud Pass Rusher. Then they need to upgrade the Secondary and the OL. Based on the math done above on who might be cut, the Jets should have sufficient cap room to sign the players needed. So my plan would be for them to draft Fournette if he's there when they pick, and then sing the best FA Pass Rusher, as well as more secondary and OL help.If Petty or Hackenburg turn out to at least be above average, the Jets could be contenders pretty quickly.
To be completely honest, I think if we went 7-9 or 8-8 last year, we'd be seeing even more "fire Bowles" threads. The reactions would be like "okay, so we made a slight improvement from '14 with an easy schedule, but now we're right back to where we were in 2014. And with a much worse defense!" Quite frankly, I'm more inclined to be patient with Bowles given he did have that 10 win season. As mentioned already many times on this forum, I am sick and tired of the rinse and repeat of cleaning house every couple years. However, it's impossible to ignore how non-competitive this team has been for so much of the year. Personally, I'm unsure what should be done with the coach right now, but I sure don't blame those who want his head to roll.
so we agree, there is pressure to win here early. and since thats the case, why would a top candidate want to come here with a bad qb situation and pressure to win early
moot point. But go ahead. I was all for keeping Bowles but it all changed at the abortion that was MNF against the Colts. He's lost the team and ain't getting back.
I agree. When I said he probably wouldn't be horribly expensive, I meant $11-$12+ million per season. I'd give him $8-$10 million in a flash.
Like the analysis but don't get rid of Marshall Jettison Revis ....that contract is a bloodsucker Eliminate more D than O talent eg trade Mo or SR Pump up the Offense Get Petty and Hack as our QB going strong...we need to see if they can make it If they cant, then continue to draft QBs or Vet QB to me is an old story but wouldn't mind Cousins if we had to get 1
Yes, you did. Perhaps I didn't state it clearly enough, but you know as well as I that LTs are coveted, and that it takes two teams to agree to make a trade. There'd have to be someone at the Jets spot that another team covets in order for the Jets to trade down and then get the OT they want, and there would be no guarantees that one of the teams ahead of the team they traded with won't take the OT they want or another team trade up ahead of them and take that OT. So my point is that yes, hopefully we could trade down, but there are no guarantees that we'd be able to or to get the OT we want.
The offense has the makings of a modern day NFL squad for the first time in my lifetime. With Marshall/Enunwa/Anderson/Peake at wide receiver, ASJ at tightend and Powell out of the backfield along with Decker coming back (even if it's after the first quarter of the season), we have a good cast. A nice blend of veteran and youthful playmakers, Marshall and Decker can really hone in on being those great possession receivers they are and can be used in that fashion. The middle of the field opens up when we actually have a deep threat in Anderson and a strong powerful guy in Enunwa that can run basically any type of route while operating out of the slot or the H-Back position. ASJ has been somewhat of a disappointment but he's a capable body at tightend who actually at his core has a lot of talent. Powell out of the backfield can easily put together a Theo Riddick type season. I'd keep the entire core together, now we just need a competitors distributor at the quarterback position. While I blamed Gailey equally to Fitzpatrick, it seems like Gailey called a conservative game to mask the deficiencies of Fitzy. With a quarterback that can capably throw the ball down the field, we may see this offense actually transform into a competent passing offense that hasn't really been seen since Chadwick in 02. As terrible as it's been, the offense could be on the rise if we figure out the cursed fucking quarterback position.
