How could you fire Bowles and not McCagnan?

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by jetfannerd, Dec 5, 2016.

  1. The Dark Knight

    The Dark Knight Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2004
    Messages:
    27,143
    Likes Received:
    14,429
    Fitz was handled perfectly from Mac's end. Didn't pay too much. Didn't give him a long term deal and like you said: Nobody better was available. A Jets fan could argue they could have seen what Geno had from the start of the season, then move to Petty, Hack etc, but I disagree. I like the move he made. It did not work, but it was right.
     
    HardHitta likes this.
  2. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2003
    Messages:
    27,699
    Likes Received:
    28,898
    It never occurred to me that it was Bowles that caused Macc to cave with Fitzpatrick but now that you mention it, it very well could've been. If the guy seemingly refused to play anyone else through Fitzpatrick's disaster, he certainly might've been the advocate to bring him back
     
  3. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2002
    Messages:
    13,900
    Likes Received:
    12,459
    Exactly...... If not pulling a guy throwing 6 INTs in one game isnt a "tell", I don't know what it. ;)
     
  4. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2003
    Messages:
    11,666
    Likes Received:
    3,016
    Great point here. What better option was there than giving Fitzpatrick a one-year deal?
     
  5. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2002
    Messages:
    13,900
    Likes Received:
    12,459
    Sticking with the initial 8 mil offer, and using the rest on a new RT....... and if he balks, use that 8 mil on another O-lineman and roll the dice with glassjaw McGraw
     
  6. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2008
    Messages:
    22,232
    Likes Received:
    12,246
    Starting Geno Smith at QB. The rest of the cash could've went to whatever the hell you wanted. 3 of it could've went to Hoyer as insurance.
     
    Section 336 and stinkyB like this.
  7. Endlessly Counting

    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,651
    Likes Received:
    1,345
    Two choices


    1.Fire Bowles and let Mac hire the next coach..in which case we get a recycled HC with no managerial aspirations or another coordinator-1st time HC

    2. Blow it up - Fire Bowles & Mac - and bring in a big name, (as if that person currently exists) who has complete control

    IMO this season is not on Mac. The team always comes out flat and that goes back to last year. Defense is underperforming big time and Fitzpatrick truly sucks. Although the drafts can't be evaluated very highly, at least at this point. Might be worth letting Mac pick a coach to see what happens
     
  8. Endlessly Counting

    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,651
    Likes Received:
    1,345
    Two choices


    1.Fire Bowles and let Mac hire the next coach..in which case we get a recycled HC with no managerial aspirations or another coordinator-1st time HC

    2. Blow it up - Fire Bowles & Mac - and bring in a big name, (as if that person currently exists) who has complete control

    IMO this seaso is not on Mac. The team always comes out flat and that goes back to last year. Defense is underperforming big time and Fitzpatrick truly sucks. Although the drafts can't be evaluated very high;y, at least at this point. Might be worth letting Mac pick a coach to see what happens
     
  9. macbk

    macbk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2004
    Messages:
    18,367
    Likes Received:
    1,825
    Because Macc isn't responsible for Bowles' inability to adjust to bad play, and this dating back to as early as Week 3 against KC.
     
  10. PennyRoyal10

    PennyRoyal10 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2005
    Messages:
    4,895
    Likes Received:
    3,004
    These 2 are not joined at the hip, IMO. Mac had no choice if he wanted to be the GM to not accept Bowles as HC. Casserly and Wolfe were conducting a parallel interview process and that's how things ended up where they are today. BIG mistake. Get the buffoon off the sidelines and get a coach in here that reports to the GM. The coach and GM have to have both a short-term as well as long-term view for the team...
     
  11. hornblower

    hornblower Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2010
    Messages:
    1,532
    Likes Received:
    1,203
    Do you mean that he was prepared to dump the season? Fitz was the average QB he had always been. Expecting a different result against that early schedule was silly. They got nothing out of this year. At the moment they have less direction than any Jet teams since the mid seventies. Geno and Petty could not have done worse. Allowing players and the media to run the show is a recipe for disaster. Who is really in charge?
     
    The Dark Knight and Red Menace like this.
  12. b.reyes16

    b.reyes16 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2012
    Messages:
    2,299
    Likes Received:
    697
    Roster isn't the problem. Coaching, poor gameplanning, poor clock management, and players who don't give a shit are.

    I like. I really don't like Bowles at this point. I'm convinced his roster did the work when he was with the Cardinals, because his scheme is shit.
     
  13. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2003
    Messages:
    11,666
    Likes Received:
    3,016
    8 Mil in one year would most likely not have helped in gathering an Lineman.
     
  14. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2003
    Messages:
    15,967
    Likes Received:
    5,246
    Mac inherited a crappy roster and has only had two off-seasons to fix it.

    He has found some good young WRs in round six, seven, and UFA as well as steeling Marshall and Forte from the Bears.

    He should have played hard ball with Fitz and Wilkerson but no one is perfect.

    Bowles on the other hand has had week after week to motivate this motley crew and failed miserably.
     
  15. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2003
    Messages:
    11,666
    Likes Received:
    3,016
    Again, you aren't talking about a long-term contract. That money would have gone towards this year. Other than QB, what other perceived holes did this team have at the START of the season?!?!
     
  16. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2003
    Messages:
    11,666
    Likes Received:
    3,016
    Duplicate Post
     
    #56 HackettSuxTNG, Dec 7, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2016
  17. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2008
    Messages:
    22,232
    Likes Received:
    12,246
    RT
    Offensive line depth
    RB Depth
    CB Depth [Dee situation, Revis surgery]

    There were ways to improve the football team
     
  18. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2003
    Messages:
    11,666
    Likes Received:
    3,016
    I don't recall any of these being spoken about heavily at the part of the season. No one was ready to give up on Revis (yet), and everyone envisioned Bilal Powell being utilized more than he is now.
     
  19. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2008
    Messages:
    22,232
    Likes Received:
    12,246
    Breno is trash dude, many wanted him cut from the team. No one knew what we had in the other RTs. Revis was coming off surgery, and we still needed another bruiser and a lot of us wanted Karlos Williams on the roster as well.

    This was all talked about before we resigned Fitz.
     
  20. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2003
    Messages:
    15,967
    Likes Received:
    5,246
    Bowles has to go, there is no question about this.

    While I would prefer to give Mac more time I have no problem with him getting pushed out the door if that's what it takes to give our new head coach every chance to succeed.

    This team needs a rebuild and a new head coach (preferably an offensive minded coach) is the first step.
     

Share This Page