I've posted about it a couple times, but I figured I'd outline it all, so we can see how underwhelming Maccagnan has really been. Keep in mind that Idzik was jettisoned into cap hell with this roster and outlined a three year plan to rebuild the team. He never got his big spending free agency period that Maccagnan got upon signing on. Mike Maccagnan Drafted starters: DE/DT Leonard Williams OLB Lorenzo Mauldin OLB Jordan Jenkins ILB Darron Lee Trades: 6th round pick for Ryan Fitzpatrick (free agent) 5th round pick for Brandon Marshall Future 4th round pick to select 5th round pick Brandon Shell 5th round pick for Ryan Clady & 7th round pick (likely cut) Free Agent Acquisitions: CB Antonio Cromartie (cut) CB Darrelle Revis (likely cut?) CB Buster Skrine OG James Carpenter RB Khiry Robinson (injured/cut) RB Matt Forte FS Marcus Gilchrist (likely cut?) RB Steven Ridley (cut) ILB Jamari Lattimore (cut) ILB Joe Mays (cut) ILB Erin Henderson (IR/FA) TE Austin Sefarian-Jenkins Resigned RB Bilal Powell to essentially 3 year/$11.25 million Resigned DT/DE Mohammad Wilkerson to 5 year/$86 million Signed UDFA WR Robbie Anderson Resigned David Harris to 3 year/$21.5 million (likely cut) John Idzik Idzik drafted starters: SS Calvin Pryor OG Brian Winters DE/DT Sheldon Richardson WR Quincy Enunwa Idzik Free Agent Acquisitions: WR Eric Decker RT Breno Giacomini (likely cut) QB Michael Vick (cut) CB Dmitri Patterson (cut) KR Jacoby Ford (cut) Resigned OG Willie Colon to 1 year/$2 million Resigned OLB Calvin Pace to vet minimum Resigned K Nick Folk Resigned TE Jeff Cumberland Idzik Trades: Traded a 4th round pick for Chris Ivory Traded Darrelle Revis for #9 overall (Dee Milliner/cut) & 4th rounder (Jalen Saunders/cut) Idzik's drafts sucked and we had near the most amount of cap space after his second season. Maccagnan's drafts have sucked thus far and we have the second least amount of cap space going into the offseason. I'm not praising Idzik as much as I'm looking down on Maccagnan. Going into next season we will likely cut David Harris (no replacement), Darrelle Revis (Daryl Roberts/Marcus Williams/Juston Burris?), Ryan Clady (Ben Ijalana?), Marcus Gilchrist (strong safety Rontez Miles?), Breno Giacomini (Qvale?) and maybe even Nick Mangold (Wesley Johnson, the only formidable replacement on the roster). Maccagnan's got his work cut out for him to keep his job. What situation was better? Idzik was 12-20. Maccagnan will finish at best I'd say 14-18, maybe 15-17.
Who cares. Until the Jets draft a legit franchise QB we'll all just be suffering. Fucking pick QB every round of every draft until we find one. With the rules as they are now in the league you either have an elite QB (or at least think you do) or you're looking for one.
Odd thread. Mac is clearly better through 2 years. No question. We will see how he handles the offseason. Work to be done........
I Disagree he is/has done "clearly better" and an argument can be made that we are no better off now then we were when Mac took over. In fact, we are potentially in the exact same situation as we were when Idzik was fired if mac cleans house as many anticipate to clear cap space: *Mac took over a 4-12 team. We are currently 4-11 *Mac took over a team with Geno as starter and not much behind him. if fitz isnt back as expected we again have Geno as starter and not much behind him. *Mac took over with no long term solutions to replace mangold/harris/fergeson. we still have no long term replacements at those spots *Mac took over with a coach who need to/should be fired. Mac has a coach that needs to/should be fired * Mac took over tons of cap space with tons of holes to fill and a top 8 pick. If/When mac cuts revis and company he will have a tons of cap space a top 8 pick and tons of holes to fill. *Mac inherited 2 drafts that produced very few starters and filled very few holes. Macs 2 drafts thus far, while still need 2 or so more years to judge, have produced few starters and filled very few holes. *when Mac took over our biggest needs where QB/Edge rusher/LT/CB. our biggest needs now are QB/Edge rusher/LT/CB. honestly, you can say Mac is better then idzik but in 2 years really what have we accomplished? we still need to find long term replacements for mangold, harris and clady(fergeson). We still have a horrible mess in the secondary. We still need to find someone to play QB. We still have to figure out the logjam on the dline. We still need to find offensive playmakers. We probably still need to find the right coach. and we still need to start drafting guys who can be long time starters. i mean, other then fix special teams... which would have been hard to not improve on... not much has changed. if you want to say mac has been better im fine with that.... but "clearly" better is a real stretch
I care... as teams who just sit around waiting for the draft to save them by hitting on the next great qb and dont address systemic problems with roster management and drafting tend to be horrible teams for a long time. i.e. cleveland who has drafted like dozens of qbs the last decade. id rather build some kind of susatainable model of bringing in talent via the draft, and when the opportunity for a qb does present itself, be in position to put a great enviornment around that qb so that he can succeed.
Idzik navigated Jets out of cap hell. But too frugal for Jets fans. You have to spend every dollar. Save nothing for better opportunities, like Norman over Revis maybe. Idzik could have saved Revis from New England super bowl run. Aside from the shitty drafts that was my biggest knock. That would have been awesome dealing; trade Revis for a 1st and then pick him right back up in free agency the following season. Then woody/Mac goes for Revis for 16M after Revis wins a super bowl with New England. Disgusting. Could have had 2-3 actual contributors for that money. I guess we got 1 decent season out of Revis, although not a 16m season. I think Mac deserves the Idzik treatment. Billboards , planes , Jets terrible towels. The Geno hate really fueld the Idzik hate imo. Geno never got a fair shot here. The shit offense we put around Sanchez 2011, Geno inherited. Jets masters of ruining young quarterbacks. #freepetty Proabaly the only thing saving Mac right now is the Jets aren't going to be in cap hell in the off season. We will be able to wheel and deal. Cap hell 2018... #cantwait!!!
You can't compare the two GM's. Maccagnan got to clean house and bring in his own people in personnel. Idzik got maybe 2 hires and had to live with both the previous coach and the previous personnel staff and those guys were all in each other's corner and fighting for survival by that time.
great point on being a year late on Revis.... although i think Idzik was waiting to use that money on better options down the line, like norman as you mentioned. but if you are going to bring back revis, the offseason after we traded him was the time to do it.
Mac is trending downward imo When you compare JI and Mac all I can really say is John I made worse mistakes by drafting Calvin Pryor ???? Over some good QBs in Carr Mettenburger Bridgewater Missed the Boat on that and caused a big setback Mac gets us D Lee in Round 1 of the draft and C Hackenburg (who sits and waits) in Rd 2 What's Mac thinking when your OL stinks plus you trade up for an unproven QB who has "smarts"???? Stupid picks on him...Lee is no impact player too sorry..he is ok but that's your Rd 1?pick???? SMH 6 times Must hav listened to Toilet Bowles on these Macs FA?? Like someone posted most will prob get cut... YIKes! The ineptitude with both so similar
I think Idzik would've invested his money a thousand times better than Maccagnan did in free agency the year he got canned. Maccagnan has obviously been better in the draft, but if Shell (traded a future 4th for) and Jordan Jenkins for example do not turn into starters and Burris becomes only a special teamer, have his drafts really been better? He whiffed badly on Devin Smith thus far.
How Mac and Bowles respond this off-season will be the indicator IMO. Idzik took a bunch of crappy picks, passed on 2 franchise QBs in the first round for a safety that the team used incorrectly the first year. The year of the QB / WR. I still think Idzik was worse, more than likely a better $$$ man, but so far I got Mac in terms of talent evaluation. However, if they don't do something with Hack this off-season / next season, that will take a HUGE dip. Idzik is the crappiest of the crappiest, but misery loves company.
Idzik saved all the money and Maccagnan wasted it all on bad contracts..simple as that, both are terrible.
Idzik didnt get his chance for a 3rd year... even after woody signed off on a 3 year rebuild. doesnt seem fair to say "lets see how mac does in year 3" when he has done the same calibur job that idzik had done through 2 years...
Nah, Idzik wasted 10+ picks on players that draft. It was a complete waste of a good draft. We got Q out of that draft and that might end up being it. Actually it will end up being it. He'll be the last player from the Idzik drafts. I think this previous draft, Lee / Jenkins / Shell / Burris are starters going forward and I think they can be serviceable players. Hack the wildcard.
Mac was better day 1, by mere virtue of reshaping our FO, changing how we scout, and increasing the overall scouting investment $. He fired Bradway and all the other dead weight year 1, and continued cleaning house year 2, while placing a greater emphasis on organizational scouting. Idzik was afraid to do that, as he had no scouting plan or background, and really no organizational vision or philosophy of any kind. Idzik was the worst GM we've ever had. He had 12 draft picks in 2014, and all but Enunwa (a late round flier) suck 3 yrs later. And Enunwa didn't grow until a new CS essentially changed his position. He also intentionally threw a CS (and a season) under the bus for his own personal interests, which is unforgivable. In terms of Mac, he better find a QB, and he better get more aggressive in his Oline approach. and enough with the 1 dimensional players and project picks..
With Lee / Jenkins / Burris / Shell / Lac Edwards / Peake and UDFA's Anderson / J Marshall / L Thomas / Middleton, we really don't know what we've got yet. You can say the same about Mauldin / Petty / Simon. They all have shown some good things, and some not so good things. And like you mentioned, Hack is a total wildcard.. The drafts are very incomplete yet, but I'm already comfortable that neither draft was 2014 terrible. They may even turn out good.
