It's important we turn this ship around into a winning season.

If they pull the plug on the Beard and one of the young guys lights it up I could rally behind them and hope for the best. Otherwise, you are kidding yourself.

 

This team and a winning season is a joke, they are defective in all areas, the defense is the biggest joke, I could understand them wearing down under Rex, playing at full steam for the majority of the game, but under Bowles they come out flat no energy, just wait till we play the Patriots they'll put close to a 100 points up on us in 2 games, no excuse at all, piss poor coaching

 

If we turn this around, Bowles is probably good, and so it's important.

If we don't, Bowles isn't good. And so it isn't.

 

Rex Ryan was here for 6 seasons. Tanny was here for 7 seasons as GM. We don't go through GM's and HC's at a rapid pace.

The Jets made a mistake by hiring Idzik and then saddling him with Rex. They dealt with it for 2 seasons and then corrected the mistake. They never should have fired Tannenbaum after 2012. They should have given him a chance to fix things with Rex.

But in general the idea that the Jets go through coaches and Gm's at a rapid pace isn't really fair. They have given guys time.

 

This thread coming from a Phins fan who took off after the 5 game losing streak and didn't return until after they won 2 in a row.

 

^ It's our boi Philly Stakz

 

Why should they have stuck with Tannenbaum? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. He created all the roster problems and holes. He ignored certain positions in the draft. He stripped the team of veteran leadership that was here when Rex was hired. He depleted the depth continually trading up. He wasn't a personnel man and couldn't tell a FB from a CB. He wasted picks letting Rex have a pick. Tanny was awful, one of the worst GMs we've ever had. There's no frigging way he should have stayed on the job one second longer than he did, and he should have been fired 2-3 years earlier.

 

No we're not going through HCs, OCs and GMs at a rapid pace. Rex was HC for what 6-7 seasons? Tanny was GM for 7 seasons I think. Schottenheimer was here for far too long regardless of how many seasons he was here (it seemed like forever). Idzik was fired quickly, and rightfully so. He never should have been hired in the first place. Mangini didn't last long, but he lost the team, and you can't keep a HC who has lost the locker room. Stability doesn't necessarily come from continuity, when that continuity is mediocrity or worse. There has to be actual quality, intelligence, skill, and professionalism in leadership for that stability and continuity to happen.

HCs shouldn't be judged solely on the team's W-L record. Sure, two consecutive 9-7 seasons look good on the surface, but when one looks deeper, one sees that for most of the games in Bowles tenure, the team has not shown up early in the game or has been flat. They haven't been prepared mentally or emotionally to play. Quite a few games were lost due to sloppy play, stupid penalties, mental errors, lousy execution and TOs. Poor game and clock management, and lack of adjustments in game played a part in those losses as well. That's inexcusable. Last season, we had an easy schedule. I think we only beat maybe 1-2 teams that were playoff teams.

Even with a tougher schedule this season, the team should have been even better and Bowles should have shown improvement. They might not have won every game, but every game should have been a hard-fought contest, and the team should have played smart, tough, consistent football and not beaten itself. That is not what has happened. I like how Bowles handles the media, but don't like how he handles the team. He seems to be stubborn or blind when things aren't working. He is slow to adapt or change, and when he does things such as going with a 4-3 when we don't have 4-3 DEs or LBs are flat out wrong. I've seen little evidence of improvement or growth. If he can turn things around and get the team to 9-7 this season, then he should get a 3rd season, but needs to be told in no uncertain terms that if the team starts slowly next season, and the same sloppy play continues with mental errors, poor execution and lack of adjustments, that he will be fired in-season.

The only way I see that this team has any chance of winning 8-9 games is for Bowles to bench Fitz immediately and Petty proves to be a revelation, lights things up and plays better than anyone expected. Neither of those things is likely to happen.

 

It ain't gonna happen for this season. Our secondary is so bad.........

 

We should root for our team to play well and want them to win? Got it!

The hard part for many is that the current team doesn't give you a lot of confidence in the long or short term. We have some young pieces, sure, but we have far too many overpriced and underperforming veterans that are eating up cap space. Our defense, once thought to be dominant, is lousy and can't stop QBs who get the ball out of their hands quickly. Our offense is anemic and can't figure out what, if anything, it is good at, especially against good teams. Our coaching is suspect and our team often comes out flat. We are prone to making big mistakes in coverage and penalties.

We are a mediocre team and will continue to be one until we can develop a franchise QB and surround him with young talent. Right now, it's just a bunch of guys cashing paychecks who play just well enough to keep the billboard idiots at bay. Gooooo Jets!

 

I mean at the end of the day, what matters is that we make the right decisions in the draft whether that's picking 1st or 32nd. I don't really like the argument that if we start winning and get to around 8-8 then the season was wasted. I am more concerned about how they finish than anything. If we fight the rest of the season and start looking competent then I won't say the season was wasted. It also seems like Bowles is going nowhere this year unless they lose out, which I don't see happening.

 

Going through HCs and GMs at a rapid pace makes us no better then the Browns. Hopefully fans relax and allow Bowles and Mac to fix the issues they have right now. Continuity is going to be essential for the young players and especially the 2 young QBs.

 

Of course making the right decisions in the draft is important regardless of where one drafts, but in terms of getting the best talent and addressing holes/needs/upgrading one's roster, it's much better to be picking in the top 5 than around 15-20.

Since Bowles will most likely be back next season, I'd rather see him learn, show a lot of growth and improvement and the team play hard the rest of the season, and cut out all the stupid mistakes. If they do that, more than likely they'll win some games, and probably more than they lose. If that were to happen, then the season wouldn't be a total waste and the draft position would be less important because it would mean that our younger players are developing and getting the job done, and that Bowles isn't as clueless as he appears.

The thing is, Fitz won't be here next year, or at least shouldn't be. If the Jets remain alive at least statistically in the playoff hunt, you know there's no way that Bowles will bench Fitz and start Petty. From the perspective of the QB position and who will be starting next season, it would be a wasted season imo, no matter how much Bowles learned or the team's play improved.

Petty and/or Hack wouldn't get a chance to further develop and grow, and the Jets would probably bring back Fitz, which would waste next season. No thanks. If Hack really has improved to the point where they don't need to overhaul his fundamentals (hard to believe), then the Jets would benefit from seeing what they have in both of their young QBs. I'd rather they start Petty or Hack even if that means they lose out. The Jets need to find out what they have in Petty and Hack. If one or both show true promise that they can be a reliable starter next season, then they can eschew drafting a QB in the 2017 draft and plan to start that one or let Petty and Hack battle it out for the starting spot. If neither does, then they're going to need to find a starter for next year. QB is the most important position and we cannot go into another season with Fitz as the starter. If neither Petty nor Hack are up to starting next season, then the Jets need to either take a QB in the 1st round (which would probably necessitate moving up) and plan to start him, or sign another JAG to start.

IMO, at this point in the season and with the way this team has played, the most important thing is finding out what they have in Petty and/or Hack. W-L record, draft position, or whether Bowles learns/improves, are all a distant second. If either Petty or Hack show that they can be a reliable, quality starter, then Bowles will look like a better HC and the W-L record will take care of itself.

 

My main point is that the Jets have given guys time. They don't go through GM's and HC's at a rapid pace is my point. What you think about Tannebaum is kinda separate.

But to get into that, the way I looked at it was not so much that I loved the job Tannenbaum did, but firing him and giving a new GM a HC already here before him wasn't a great idea. That's why I say they should have let Tannenbaum try and fix the mistakes he and Rex made.

He's not one of the worst we've ever had. He made the playoffs 3 times here and left with an overall record of 57-55 and 4-3 in the playoffs. Is that great? No. But to call him one of the worst GM's we've ever had isn't fair. The team had 2 losing season under his watch and made 2 title games. Be fair.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with you that they should not have hired a new GM and then saddled him with Rex. That was beyond stupid on Woody's part. If he wasn't going to fire Rex, then perhaps he should have let Tanny stay one more year, but the best thing he could have done was to fire both, then hire a new GM and let him hire the HC. If he had done that, then perhaps Bruce Arians would be our HC and things would be looking a lot better.

As far as Tanny's not being one of our worst GMs, you may have a valid point. We have had one sorry bunch of GMs in our history. Making the playoffs, going to two title games and overall having a winning record are in his favor. I'll give him that. He left the cupboard bare, however, and I'm not certain that any of the other GMs, even as awful as they were, left the cupboard as bare as Tanny did. Idzik certainly did, but I can't think of anyone else off of the top of my head, though there probably were several.

 

I would NEVER advocate keeping Todd Bowles as HC. The job he has done through the first 6 games was FAR worse than just BAD. Those games just brought it into focus for me. He doesn't make any in game adjustments, his time clock management sucks, he can't motivate this team to save his life, etc. etc, etc. These are just a few of the criticisms I have for this idiot and I very much believe that change is necessary............

 

Well, that's just nitpicking, isn't it?

 

It's important we turn this franchise into a winning one. I'd rather tank and get a franchise QB then get a couple of meaningless wins to finish 6-10 or 7-9. This team needs to build a long term winning foundation.

 

So I've heard.