Yeah, I guess I am..two years was enough. The other side of your argument is yes, it was fourth down and if he had completed it instead of throwing a pick maybe we would have gotten a first down although I don't remember if it was far enough downfield or not.
It was. In fact, the receiver could, should probably, have come back a bit and he would still have had first down yardage. You can hate Geno for lots of valid reasons, but that throw isn't really one.
I've been pushing for Fitz to stay under centre till Ravens/6th loss but that was predicated on an improved offensive showing this week. Truth is our offense sucks and continues to suck. The problem isn't only on Fitz but he is the leader of that offense and with 3 replacements behind him - he is the obvious element to change. OFC Hack isn't really an option and Petty is injured so the replacement would have to be Geno. I really can't stand the guy on a personal 'off-field' level and we all know he doesn't have the smarts to be the guy going forward. Nor do I think that our record would be any different if Geno had started out the season - Fitz will kill you late with a dagger to the chest, Geno cuts you up early and often till you slowly bleed out. I would however start Geno! The season is pretty much a bust at this point and our future is either Petty or Hack. Whilst Fitz is a great 'hold the fort' guy and a dream emergency QB replacement for any team, his skillset doesn't really match-up to what the young 'uns are capable of. Geno on the other hand is a better match and would give Chan and the rest of the offense a chance to have some live fire practice on the plays and schemes they are likely to be running under Petty/Hack. I was actually not underwhelmed by his brief appearance last night - He didn't seem physically skittish or mentally overloaded and our receivers suddenly seemed open (granted the game was over). The fumble happened whilst he was winding up to throw and thats when stuff like that will happen (didn't feel the pressure) and as stated before, I've no problems with my QB chucking an INT when down multiple scores in the 4th especially on 4th down and it was a great play by all-pro against a rookie WR on a ball that was pretty well thrown whilst on the run. So, Go with Geno till Petty is set to start and then you need to cut either Fitz or Geno to give Hack more reps.
might as well start smith against the ravens, let his play dictate the next move which would likely be petty.
Smith for the next two games. If he sucks, we move on to Petty... he gets two or three games. if he sucks we move onto Hack. If sucks.. well, we probably have a top 3 pick and can hopefully grab a rookie QB. LET THE CYCLE BEGIN WOOOOHOOOO
The problem with starting Smith is who replaces him after his 2nd or 3rd pick, Fitz? Petty will only be the emergency QB and Hack will be in street clothes. It really doesn't bode well no matter what they do. Not to mention this is a home game and didn't they boo Smith every time he took the field even in preseason?
Lol Geno gets one pick in the midst of a garbage time blow out orchestrated by Ryan Six-pick-trick and that's being put under a microscope by folks for some odd reason. Have we gotten to the point where people hate Geno so much that even his 1 int (which was actually a very great play BTW by HoneyBadger) can grind gears more than Ryans 12 INT's in 6 games? That hatred must run real deep.
His record speaks for itself. And it should have been easier in "garbage time" to be successful than if it actually mattered.
As does Fitzpatrick's Petty at least needs to practice before we can reasonably consider starting him. Geno should definitely get the start this week. If he does what everyone expects then turn it over to Petty the following week. But to keep on starting Fitz at this point is madness. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
I think a lot of people don't understand, that just because Fitzpatrick sucks, doesn't mean Geno doesn't. There is no point to playing either of them. As soon as Petty is healthy, get him out there. We know what we have in Fitz, we know what we have in Geno. Fitz is God awful. And in the five minutes Geno played, he made the same mistakes he always does. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk
Don't get me wrong, at this point I feel exactly the same way about Fitzpatrick. I want to see Petty play and see what he has when he is playing with the A receivers against the A defenses. What is this team going to do if the only 2 QBs we see all year are gone and they will be.If smith plays good he will use it as leverage to go somewhere else, if he doesn't his contract is up anyway and we all know Fitz is thru no matter what he does the rest of this year.
You make a good point, we've seen that movie and it doesn't end well for anybody involved. I was all for letting Geno start right up until he made his comments. He has no foot to stand on in making those comments and it goes to show who he really is and why nobody stepped up for his ass when IK pimp slapped his jaw into next week. The guy is a squiggling punk and he's be one, at least in my opinion, from day zero. The way he acted at the draft turned me off on him and it was at that very moment I knew we'd be throwing away a pick on him. I tried to be positive after the pick but, well, yea. At this point I figure just let Fitz either grows a brain elevates himself, and the team (probably not going to happen), in the next 2 games. Otherwise at the halfway mark you stick that bum Geno in for the next 6 and let the season play out as it will. If things work out then Geno gets the last two games, if not you put in Petty and let him sling it. This way they both got exactly one half season to show why the are complete garbage and Petty gets a pair of real time under fire evaluations. That way they can both hit the road next season with zero regrets and Petty has had his trial by fire.
The answer at this point needs to be start Smith until Petty is healthy. If Smith isn't showing anything put Petty in. I don't see any need for Hack to come in at this point. the new coach (yes i expect a new coach AGAIN) can decide what to do with him next year.
Maybe I'm delirious, but I think our record would have been better. There's no way Geno could have been so bad as to have thrown 11 interceptions with zero TDs, have such a poor completion percentage, and the offense so little yardage gained in the second halves of games. I agree that Hack isn't an option at this point. Petty, however, is healthy again and began practicing this week. I think Geno and Petty should be given all the practice reps this week, and Fitz take a seat at the end of the bench. You're right about Geno's brief appearance. He looked confident and under control. His throws were more accurate and crisper than Fitz' by a good bit. I think football needs to come up with a new term for when a defensive player knocks the ball out of the QB's hands while he is getting ready to throw or even when he has the ball securely tucked away, and a defensive player's helmet knocks the ball out. A "fumble" imo indicates that it was the offensive player's fault for not securing the ball, or for carrying it loosely. IMO Geno can't be blamed for that "fumble." I think that was the play where some posters criticized him for not stepping up in the pocket, but with the way the Jets' OL pockets have been crumbling, I can't blame him. He probably felt safer back further than he did stepping up among several DL. As you said the interception was a well-thrown ball on the run, and the DB just made a great play on the ball. Sometimes you just have to give the defensive player credit for making a great play. Peake could have, and perhaps should have come back as well and put his body between Matthieu and the ball. Hopefully, he learns from that mistake. I don't see the Jets cutting either Geno or Fitz at this point, and probably not at all during the season. Why should they? Let's say they give Geno the start this week and he plays pretty well, but they've already made the decision that he isn't in their plans for next year and to move on to Petty to see what he can do. If Petty doesn't play well, or God forbid, is injured again, then that would leave them with only Fitz or Geno to play. IMO Hack should not see the field this season unless all 3 other QBs go down with injuries. He needs to focus on fixing his fundamentals. In that scenario, if the Jets had cut Fitz or Geno, then they'd be down to 1 QB. Also, they're not gonna pay Fitz $12 million to sit home on his couch or to go play with another team. If nothing else, they can use him as the scout QB or as a tackling dummy in practice (probably the best use for the bastard).
Geno's record with Bozo the clown coach Rex? Marty M. and his dry play calling? With Stephen Hill, Clyde Gates, Dave Nelson, & Greg Salas as his big time star weapons? a toilet paper o-line? and What defense to speak of??? I don't see how people can write him off COMPLETELY knowing the situation he was in was a shit show. Fitz has already surpassed Geno's mishaps from his sophomore year.. the year that made the majority of jets fans hate Geno... Geno did better than Fitz this year, that season. The younger QB that can make all the throws that the old one can and can't make & with proven capabilities of doing more with LESS gets ALL THE HEAT. Sickening. I'm not even making an excuse for Geno being good... but i'll make the case that he's better than Fitz and there's no reason why Fitz should be starting over him next week. 100% no reason for it.
Our chances of a 10 game winning streak just went from .00000001% to .00000002%! http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0580408108539449389-4
Thread closed. Thanks for taking control Mac or Woody or Chan or whoever made this happen. Because Bowles was 100% still on Fitz's nuts Monday night after the game.
You obviously are biased and just a hater. There was absolutely nothing wrong with what Geno said. I respect him for having said it. Any backup should want to play, should have that desire and fire to be on the field, and not be content to sit on the bench and draw his paycheck. Fitz isn't going to grow a brain. That's ridiculous. He hasn't in 11-12 seasons in the NFL. He's still doing the same damn stupid things. Petty should be given an opportunity to succeed. Throwing him into the fire the last two games against the Pats and Bills is NOT giving him a chance to succeed, and I'm sorry, but is just stupid. His first game should either be vs the Browns or vs the Colts. That would give him 2-3 games against easier teams and more time to prepare for the Pats and Bills.
