Fixing the jets and went has gone wrong the 1st 4 games

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  1. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    1st off before I get into the jets issues. let me talk about the "any given sunday" the chiefs who dominated us on defense. Just got destroyed by the steelers. The same steelers who got destroyed by philly a week before. Sometimes your team just doesn't show up prepared, it doesn't mean it's time to blow everything up and rebuild. Yeah it sucks sitting at 1-3 the panthers who went 15-1 last year are also sitting at 1-3. The cards went 13-3 last year and are sitting at 1-3 as well. The cheifs won 10 in a row last year. It's not impossible to win 10 out of our last 12 games and make the playoffs, but we do need to fix some things.

    1) Coaching - we are just being out-coached. period. I'll start with rodgers/bowles and the defense. Through 4 games there are 2 things we just can't seem to stop. WR bubble screens and TEs. now i can live with TEs beating us. There are only a few really good ones in the NFL. And lee didn't make it easy on JG against seattle. But the WR screens are killing us. too many times we line up 2 DBs against 3 WR sets and let teams do WR bubble screens. We need to press Wrs more and keep safeties back deep. Our d-line is getting pressure, but every team knows this , that's how they counter us. get rind of the ball in under 2 seconds with dump offs and WR screens. Our front 4 can get pressure by themselves, no reason to blitz so much. jam the WRs, line up in man when you see trips to one side and make the QB hold the ball and give deep safety help. On the offense side, while gailey is the best OC we've had in a while, and he is good, but rarely do i see us run route combos against zone defenses giving us an open man. I see every team get 1-2 plays like this a game. Buffalo did it with salas, pitt just did it against KC a few times. We need to get some easy points. We never seem to. either a busted play by their defense or a big turnover by our defense. Everything seems to come much harder for us then other teams. that falls on the coaching staff. We need more misdirection plays and maybe a trick play or 2. Something to jump start the offense

    2) Fitz - not really much to say here other then he needs to play better. He can't turn it over. Turnovers and out lack of getting turnovers is killing us. Right now the jets are dead last at -11 in turnover differential. We have 10 INts and 3 fumbles lost on offense and our defense has only created 2 turnovers both on INTs Losing the turnover battle is pretty much a guaranteed loss in the NFL. If we stop turning it over so much, we should be able to win easily. Even at 6 turnovers in the KC game we were still in it, same with Seattle. after 2 turnovers we were still in the game.

    3) Pass defense - overall has been bad. I don't think it's lack of talent, this goes to coaching, but we need to be more aggressive on defense. Our defense is really young. Richardson, lee, leonard williams, jenkins, moulden, pryor, burris, marcus williams are all 25 or under. thats 3 our of 5 LBers, 2 out of 3 DEs, 1 out of 2 safties, and our Nickel and dime backs. 8 out of the 13 defense players playing most of the snaps. it loks good for the future, but I feel like the staff is handcuffing them to not give up big plays and in turn are allowing us to be eaten alive underneath. It doesn't help that we had to play wilson a top 3 QB, dalton a probowl QB, taylor a mobile QB, and smith a smart veteran who doesn't turn it over and now upcoming big ben a top 5 QB.

    4) in game adjustments - we just seem to suck at it. We had cicny beat, but they adjusted and we didn't. we aren't a 2nd half team. if feels like if our team doesn't come out winning we never catch up. We need to make better halftime and in game adjustments. You cna't just rely on your players to win matchups all game long. as we seen as good as marshall was at winning against sherman, eventually sherman got 1 form us and it was a killer

    What we are doing good right now?

    1) Run defense, we are number 2 in the NFL at stopping the run. losing snacks hasn't hurt us at all. Teams just can run the ball well against us.
     
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  2. jetsclaps

    jetsclaps Well-Known Member

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    We know. They need to coach better and play better.
     
  3. BuzzKillington

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    Very long-winded way of saying that Todd Bowles is in way over his head and is ill equipped to be a head coach in the NFL.
     
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  4. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    and limit turnovers
     
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    MexicanJet Well-Known Member

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    Coaching. Secondary. Dropped passes. Turnovers. Fitz not playing well. Injuries.
    COACHING. PLLAY CALLING
     
  6. BuzzKillington

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    Todd needs to pack his bags and get the hell out of here.
     
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    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    Fitz has 14 already, he's on a 56 Turnover pace
     
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    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    Take his $12 mil bust QB with him
     
  9. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Teams don't bother to run on us very much because they know they can pass on us all day long. They smile as they throw Revis's way.
     
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  10. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone here actually watch games? Revis didn't let anything up really yesterday at all.

    Teams have ran 91 times on us that's an average of 20.25 carries a game. Yards per carry is 3.1 allowed which is 2nd best in the NFL.
     
  11. -Eliminate turnovers on Offense
    -Scratch the bullshit contain nonsense with the DL
    - Forget coverage. Just play off & make the stinking tackle!
     
  12. IsmokePot

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    Revis did play great and is catching heat on the forum because some idiots here really believe a professional would fake an injury. Also some blame every td thrown on us on Revis.
     
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  13. JDeacon

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    You want to know why some teams are always good. They have a consitant coaching staff and a franchise qb. As long as we keep playing gm and hc roulette we will never build a successful franchise. As long as we continue to pass on potential franchise qb's to fill holes on the defense, we will never be a competent franchise.

    You get a franchise qb then you worry about everything else. You let a coach and gm build a team and a culture and do not blow it up every 2-4 years. Let a guy get 8 years. We bitch about rookie hc's but we never give them a chance to develop.

    On another note, defense doesn't win you shit anymore unless you are extremely talented at both olb positions and corner positions and have some good guys to clog the middle. You have to have them or your defense will be mediocre, just like the jets are with are overpowered dl and nothing else to complement it.
     
  14. jerseyjay14

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    solution is a new coach. but makes no sense to axe anyone now. let bowles take the bumps during the rebuild we are in. bring in the new coach once its on the upswing, not the downswing with our best players retiring or getting older.

    he is on a one year deal. he wont be here at years end. this problem fixes itself.
    this is fixable with coaching. most decent coaches can get by with a top dline and average corners which is, at the very least, what we have. we need a coach who doesnt try and make us the 86 bears. play 2 deep, make teams go 75-80 yards. the D will get stops. we dont need blitzes with 3 guys playing 10 yards off and the safeties always up.... replace the coaches and focus on hiring a defensive coordinator/coach who is of this mindset.
    again, when we replace bowles this can be fixed at that time


    to me you missed the #1 thing that needs to get fixed... the expectations. woody needs to nut up and allow himself to say we are rebuilding and let his GM get the neccessary 3 years to try and do it. look i thought idzik was a poor drafter with a sketchy eye for talent, but he had us going in the right direction cap wise and moving on from older guys getting us some picks back... woody said he was ok with a rebuild then switched gears after 1.5 seasons when fans got impatient

    we need an owner with a backbone and a fanbase that isnt such big homers that they think anytim we dont lose 10 games we are superbowl bound
     
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  15. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    Pitt has won a few SBs over the past 20 years but the thing that stands out most is in the last 20 years they have had 2 head coaches and 2 GMs. NYG won a couple of SBs and had the same head coach and GM for 8+ years, NE has won 4 and the same head coach and GM for 10 years. consistency in the front office and head coach is what leads to winning.
     
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    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    to be fair, we are rebuilding but we also have enough talent to win now. On defense we have richardson, pryor, leornard williams, marcus williams, jenkins, lee, and mouldin all 25 or younger. and wilk and ghilcrest are only 27. The only "older" players on defense are revis and harris and henderson.

    On offense we have 5 young WRs under 25 with potential. Marshall, peake, enunwa, anderson, and smith. We just grabbed ASJ at TE who is only 24. Powell is only 27 and can be our 3rd down back for the nest 3-4 years easily. We drafted hack in the 2nd rounder to be our future and petty is still in play who is only 25. We have a few young lineman looking good as well. We have enough young core players to grow this team for the next 3-4 years easily. Mangold, harris, fitz, revis, and marshall are the only players that are going to decline soon. and outside of mangold we alreayd have replacements for the rest of them. What this team needs is consistency at GM and coaching staff to get them most out of the young talent we have.
     
  17. Peebag

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    yea but it helps to have a decent HC.
     
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    Nice analysis by all posters here

    How absolutely scary is it to have guys on a Message board know more than an NFL Coaching staff??? SMH 6 times

    Solid Gold posted that the great SB winning franchises have consistent GMs and Coaching staffs :

    Please don't forget that there is a reason for that eg the HC knows how to manage a game clock make adjustments hire the right assistants get on the overpaid players to perform etc
     
  19. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    hard to tell if a HC is decent after 2 years. Look at the browns, they fired belichick after 4 years. he wouldn't get another shot at a head coaching job for 5 more years when he took over the jets for 1 day and then went to NE in 2000. 16 years later he is considered one of the best all time. has won 4 superbowls, has won his division 95% of the time and has numerous records. hell even without his star TE and QB with patchwork QBs he's led them to a 3-1 record this year in control of the division and has brady coming back. He led them to 11 wins with matt cassell at QB. his teams are under talented at every position but QB. and he just keeps winning.
     
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  20. NYJetsO12

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    Oh I see

    Todd B could be the next Bellichek and he landed in our lap

    hmmm

    I hate Bellicheater but how did we let him walk??
     

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