If you look at a schedule and conclude it's a struggle because the teams we play are likely better than the Jets, how is Bowles not part of the blame. Isn't it his job to make the team better than the other teams in the league? Is that not what he was hired to do?
iNTERESTING Interesting that a second year coach was outdone by Marvin Lewis (5 straight playoff appearances), Andy Reid (long solid career) and Pete Carroll (NCAA and NFL champion). All with rosters better than the Jets especially at QB. He did, however, out coach Rex.
You can't really judge a coach until the first year when he has all his own players and all the garbage from the previous regime is gone. If we don't see an improvement in year 3, then we can start flushing the bowles. Find me a great coach who didn't have growing pains in their first two years.
Bowles should immediately: 1. Fire his defensive coordinator--the jets have a lot of talent on defense but get outschemed every game--no adjustments, just watch the other team pitch and catch. Good teams put loyalty and sentiment aside. 2. Bench/Cut Fitzpatrick--he is NOT our future, we are NOT going to the playoffs with Cinn. and KC already holding the tie breakers over us--I don't even care WHO you start, as long as it is not the all-time journeyman with the noodle arm who has never looked off a safety in his life. Did you see how long Elway put up with Sanchez? Take a lesson from a successful franchise. LONG TERM--the jets HAVE TO get some decent off. lineman in next year's draft. I do not think winters, quale, or Ben whatever his name is would play for another NFL team much less start. To me there is no greater indictment to the jets front office than the fact that Bowles STILL was undecided about his starting right tackle AFTER the last preseason game (and he was deciding between two scrubs). Tell me one other team that does have a projected starting offensive LINE GOING INTO the preseason. Forte had nowhere to run because there was no daylight. Pittsburgh drafted back to back OL in rounds 1 and 2 a few years ago--take a lesson from a successful franchise.
We can't keep turning over coaches/GM's when they don't win immediately. To do that would be inviting organizational chaos on a gross level. The Browns are a great example of where this approach gets you. While we lament our cluster f of busted mid round picks the Browns are burning multiple 1st round picks (annually) on absolute garbage. Or in the case of this years draft going about aquiring picks for a 1st they should have used it. Also you gotta put up with the "not my guys" phenomenon. Look at what happened with Amaro this year. He's eh with only a single full season of play. The guy had no fire here but talent enough to be on the roster. You can't tell me Kellen freaking Davis, or Bostwick or Bowman, or whoever the hell we picked up is a better option than he was. If anything he should have been placed 3rd on the depth chart to make a point. Do you really want somebody new coming in here and deciding to not play/dump the Anderson, Peak, J Marsh, Miles, Mauldlin(yea, eh this year), etc. because they are the last regimes picks? It takes number of years for "most" players to fully mature into their roles and the same thing can be said for coaches. Sometimes you can call it instantly and sometimes it takes a stop or 2 before they get it right. Anybody remember how high people were on Jim Harbaugh? He was supposed to be the next great thing in NFL coaches. Now the guy is a few steps from being drummed out of his college job. I say give TB the rest of this season to get this ship headed in the right direction. The roster, and organization in total, was a complete mess. No matter how last year played out this is a franchise in transition.Every position was a complete disaster other then the defensive line, and they actually under-produce considering the skill level. Mac and Bowles had, and have, one of the tougher assignments in all of sports. Simultaneously to win enough to sate the fickle New York fan base while actually managing to repair and rebuild, a side-build if you will, a jacked up roster. One season in it's been a little bumpy but the overall talent level of this team has risen and we've got some decent game-play; for the most part and that's job 1. Job 2 is the coaching up these players, that, however, is still a question mark. I'm seeing the same kind of things that should have been addressed between last season and this. The time outs, playcall pacing, defensive scheming/adjustments and on the field personnel management. Bowels needs to begin getting all of that fixed asap. Long story short. While I advocate letting him get to a 3rd year there needs to be tangible, and quantifiable, improvement in managerial style/skills. Week 17 can't be like week 1-4 where he's doing all of the exact same things. If indeed he does end up being let go it has to be in favor of a head coach with a moderately successful track record. I don't know where this guy is going to come from but we can't bring on any more front office rookies.
Bowles was recommended by Wolf and Casserly who also recommended hiring Mac Well, they got it half right
I like Macacgnin but picking Lee was stupid ...must have been listening to Toilet Bowl We should have traded up for a stud QB Something I have been posting for months
Had to edit your post down to this as it was just a bit long. This last paragraph and the bolded part I'm in total agreement with. Although the schedule maker made it impossible to progress this season, they didn't do the Jets any favors last season as it provided a false evaluation of this team and its potential. We were a 10-6 team last year because we were playing a 4-12 schedule. Now we're a 1-3 team playing a 10-6 schedule. We were doomed from the beginning this year... Things should shake out by the end of next season and I'm hoping for either improvement or resolution when it comes to how this team is run on the field. #NoMoreFirstTimers
Bowles did say it was unacceptable. He can't wave a magic wand and make the players do their jobs correctly. It's his job to show them what to do and hold them accountable for doing it, and it's the players jobs to practice their responsibilities so they get it right. Obviously these responsibilities are breaking down but frankly it's impossible to say who is most at fault here, the players or the coaches. The performance so far has absolutely been a poor reflection on the coaching staff, but it's unrealistic to think all problems can be solved overnight. It's a process. Unfortunately we can't all have Bill Bellicheat as our head coach. I'd rather see the Jets take the Bengals approach of patience for consistent results than continuing to jettison coaches and starting over. If the team continues to regress, then it becomes a different story, but again I think four games into the second season it's simply too early for that. Especially since, imo, the Jets are actually performing better than their record in the sense that they're not miserable, but rather, totally undoing any good they do with mistakes. Let's see how Bowles handles this before executing him.
This should be merged with the existing shit on bowles thread. Believe it or not, the solution to every problem is not to fire everyone every other year. That's how you become the Cleveland Browns. Coaches learn things with experience. So do GM's. So do assistant coaches, scouts, etc. Maybe instead of firing people at the first sign of things going badly we'd be better served by letting them work through it and learn from it. That experience will help them avoid the same struggles the next time they try to rear their ugly heads. That experience isn't free. You need to accept some struggles to gain the wisdom that comes along with living it. Do you think Belichick was the master his first couple of seasons?
I hear what you're saying. Stability is important, but stability doesn't come just because one holds onto a HC who is incompetent. Being patient is important, but imo patience has to be earned by the HC by showing that he's not in over his head, and is learning from his mistakes. In Bowles' case, he has significantly regressed from last year. How does that happen? Last year he was making adjustments at half time, this year, he has nothing. Last year the team wasn't beating itself with stupid penalties, TOs, mental errors and sloppy play. It is this year. I'm willing to give Bowles a 3rd year IF the team starts looking prepared for games, stops beating itself, if he makes adjustments when the game plan isn't working, and he shows signs of learning how to manage the pace of play and the game clock. No improvement or progress = no job. There's no shame in losing games if the team is prepared, plays tough, disciplined and smart football, and is simply overmatched talent-wise. There is a shame, however, in losing from mental errors, not being prepared, not being able to make adjustments/changes when things aren't working, not being able to manage the clock and game, and losing games one should and would win without those mistakes.
Since you claim to know when Bowles is making half time adjustments or not, maybe you could provide some specifics. Give us a specific example from a game last year where he made a halftime adjustment. Then give us a specific adjustment he should have made this year but did not. And since you think he isn't making halftime adjustments this year, maybe you could let us know what he's doing during halftime. What do you think he goes in and watches Simpsons reruns? I know you won't respond to this post. It's more fun to pretend you know things you don't. You don't know shit.
Listen he can say it's going to stop he can say lots of things,,,how about baby steps ? How about his clock management and use of timeouts getting better as he screwed up before the half again but I stray,,how about adjustments on defense ? Can we play our cb s any farther off ? How about 10 days to prepare and looking like crap ? How about pulling your qb after his 4th int,, how about saying it Will get better and we actually see some progress ? I understand Rome was not built in a day but TB appears to be another coordinator that's in over his head,,,I hope he proves me wrong but I just don't see it,,I've seen this movie before and Know how it ends
If Bowles goes 6-10 this year he would still be .500 his first 2 seasons. I would give him Year 3. It would take an EPIC meltdown, like going 3-13 this year, for me to fire him.
I dunno man...have you seen our defensive backfield? I've seen non top 25 college teams play w. more discipline, sound scheme & tackling. You can be bad & get better at alot of things & still have success. You can't win w. bad pass defense that disorganized & deplorable.
i see your point and its not a bad one.... but for me why not let bowles take the punches during the next yea or two while we rebuild/transition and then bring in a new coach for upswing once we move on to the next generation of jets players?
Who is that guy? What coach that has just been fired to you want to pick up? Tom Coughlin? Lovie Smith? Surely not Tomsula or Pettine? Joe Philbin, God forbid? Marc Trestman? Mike Singletary? Surely not Scott Linehan? Chan Gailey? Anybody think Doug Marrone is that guy? Maybe Mike Tice is learning some turn-around magic from Jack Del Rio? Or you could reach into the way back wish machine and try for Cowher or Gruden, but they'll never coach again. The only three guys I can come up with that have NFL HC experience and might worth considering are Mike Smith, Jim Schwartz, or Ken Weisenhunt. Schwartz and Weisenhunt are WAY under .500 for their careers. So they don't really fit your criteria. Mike Smith is a Marvin Lewis/Marty Schottenheimer type-- wins the regular season, loses every playoff game. Personally, if I had to pick between winning 13 games every year and knowing the Jets will lose every playoff game, or having erratic regular season records, but knowing the Jets could do some damage in the playoffs if they made it in--I'd pick the latter. Hell, at least you get rewarded with top draft picks in bad years. So please tell me who is this solid, successful, experienced Head Coach that needs a job?
I'd sign up for winning 13gms per year in a heartbeat. I'd also sign up for good clock management, good preperation, consistent play on the field. Now given the Jets history with former DC's/rookie HC's, give me the guy with the prior experience whomever that may be. If any of us lives long enough to see the Jets hire a rookie HC that can accomplish all those things in a reasonable timeframe, I'm good with that too but the Jets' luck just doesn't run like that. Ever..
