I wouldn't go as far as saying they don't need Brady, but the team without Brady, yes, New England fans could not be more encouraged. At least with JG, if JG or TB play on Thursday we're seeing the 59-0 game that we hit the Titans' with back in October 09, instead of 27-0 with only 100 passing yards. Gonna need the firepower Tom brings sooner or later, can only grind out so many games a year, some you need the big hitters for.
I know I like to give N.E fans a hard time regarding spygate, deflategate, loss of two 1st round draft picks, Belichick being fined multiple times, Brady being suspended for 4 games etc but let's be real here. You can not compare a Jimmy Garoppolo who's had a whopping 90 pass attempts with two career starts (one being against Miami) and 5 TD's - To that of... Tom Brady who's played a combined 223 regular season games (172 wins), a career completion percentage of 63.6%, over 58,000 passing yards, 428 TD's throw along with a career QB Rating of 96.4. Those HOF numbers don't even include his 22 playoff wins consisting of 4 S.B rings throughout 6 Super Bowl appearances. To consider Jimmy Garoppolo as Tom Brady's heir apparent is a little extreme and very premature. It only took two career starts for Garappolo to end up injured while opposing defenses, defensive players and defensive coordinators (around the league) haven't even had an actual chance to make adjustments against. Even Geno Smith started his Jets career 1-0 with a 4th quarter come from behind victory over the Buccaneers. I'm pretty sure knowlegable Patriots fans weren't labeling him as the next coming of Joe Montana. I'll be the 1st to admit that I personally can't wait for Tom Brady to retire while hanging up his cleats. I've seen enough of #12 and welcome any new comers with open arms. Just ask N.Y, Buffalo & Miami fans how much luck/success we've had in replacing Namath, Kelly & Marino with Franchise caliber Quarterbacks.
Why not post what Mangina actually said rather than this fictional bullshit, spewed by Skip Clueless and notorious Pats hater Sharpe. --------------- Mangini warned Jets security that the Patriots could be videotaping the Jets’ signals during their game at Giants Stadium on Sept. 9, 2007. He knew this from his time in New England. Mangini wanted the Patriots stopped, but he never thought it would get reported to the league. But Tannenbaum reported it to the NFL, and Spygate was born. The NFL fined Belichick $500,000 and the Patriots $250,000. They also were stripped of their first-round pick in the 2008 draft. “There was no great value in what they were doing,” Mangini said. “It wasn’t worth it. It wasn’t worth it to me personally. It wasn’t worth it to the relationship.” --------------- Mangina was in his 2nd season, not first in NY. The Pats had shut down the Jets camera guy the season before and this was his way of one upping BB. It backfired because the Jets FO still had a hard-on for BB and wanted to bury him.
Did you watch the whole interview? The news story doesn't have the full record of Mangini didn't want Bill pulling it on him https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/...-big-regret/V837FixkPQJHsTMYtZGm8M/story.html Guess what. Eat your poison pills Pats lovers. You reap what you sow There was value in all Bills cheating because it's given him the biggest outlier in professional sports history ...... And he will be burned hard before he decides to leave or is ultimately banned from football * * * *
What you highlighted is key. While some may consider it to have little to no value the P*ts still did it. It is against the rules yet they still did it. If it actually had little value then breaking the rules in this regard makes little to no sense. Why risk the backlash for "no gain"? Also not sure how reporting it backfired, It may have somewhat hurt Mangini's value in the league but to a very large portion of the football watching public it once again confirmed the * was warranted. And of the most importance, it attempted in stopping the P*ts from cheating.
I don't think any reasonable football fan thinks that spygate wasn't wrong. However the benefit of spygate compared to the penalty was also ludicrous. Yes, you shouldn't do something even if it was legal earlier, but the fine was outrageous compared to the crime. But that seems to be the case with every NFL suspension/fine since Goodell came. And they are all either too small or too big. I'm not even bringing up the other incident because everyone has known for more than a year now that it was complete bull. At least if you have the capability to read and understand what you just read. Looking at the American presidential election, that's a 50/50 shot at best. Educational system doing gods work. But like I said earlier, this 15 - 3 record without Brady is all smoke than mirrors. Yeah, they beat the Dolphins and Texans without Watt, but those teams are 3 tiers lower than the Pats. Professional organization will beat a group of disorganized morons no matter who the QB is. If they want to beat good teams (there's like three of those in the NFL), then they need Brady. And that Matt Cassell argument is still the dumbest ever. Dude lost 5 games with a roster that went undefeated, missed the playoffs and did it against the softest schedule ever. Three wins against teams with a winning record, if I remember correctly. Something tells me Brady wouldn't have lost the division to Chad freaking Pennington.
I know people love to throw that asterisk with the Pats, but I'm pretty sure they won three titles before spygate. Hard to do something illegal when said action was not illegal at the time. But facts, who needs those. Again, it's a grass roots issue: if your educational system is one of the worst in the civilized world, maybe you should do something about it. Arrogant and stupid is no way to go through life. But that's the new American way.
Fine wasnt outrageous at all it was covered up it was more damaging than the NFL wanted to admit hence the burned tapes. All he other cover up in soygate was a frank drebin nothing to see here
They won 3 titles by 3 points each because of spygate. End of story...they did it because it helped them. Now kiss off
"it's not a lie if you believe it." Who told you that? The voices inside your head? Your extensive research to all the game tapes where you could pinpoint the information on the videotapes, and how the lack of tapes made them lose to a missed sack/helmet catch? I'm sure you can offer a comprehensive explanation for your statement. Oh wait. As I said, dumb is no way to go through life. Just because you think something is so, it doesn't make it a fact. Shocking that all the other teams who did the same until 2006 didn't gain an advantage that would give them a title. But I guess Pats had HD available before all the other teams.
You think I'm dumb? Been watching the NE shamery for 16 years son. Remember when they just plain sucked? You were most likely. giants and Yankee fan
I remember Brady in only three games, the two SB's against the Giants and the SB against Seattle, in all three he was taking massive hits and hanging in there, and almost won all three instead of just one. There's a lot to be said for toughness, and durability, and even if Garoppalo (sp?) is Jesus, he can't do anything if he's knocked out, and Brady plays through injury and plays well even when he's getting hit, which can't be said about many QB's. And Brissette obviously isn't going to bring them back from behind, system or no system. Ron
Yes, they did win 3 before Spygate, all aided by cheating. Guess if you were a fan longer you would be up on all their cheating. They started taping in 2000, taped the Rams walk through in 2002, continued taping until caught in 2007. It's not just fans, even players and coaches get pissed at their cheating ways. You are correct that arrogant and stupid is no way to go through life so smarten up and stop thinking your shit doesn't stink.
If I had to chip in my two cents: ============================================================ 1. QBs don't perform in a vacuum. They need protection and play makers around them to thrive. On top of that - they need some level of mastery of the system they are using. 2. For this reason, ranting about how Brady might/might not do elsewhere, especially, based on how Montana performed in KC, is a very unfair comparison. When Montana got to KC, their offense was a dumpster fire - and that is an understatement. [Any offense run by Dave Krieg will look like a dumpster fire after all.] So what KC did after acquiring Montana was to install WCO the way Joe ran it in SF. They started that whole reconstruction of the offense with signing a savvy veteran RB, Marcus Allen through free agency. Yeah - they didn't have Jerry Rice or John Taylor - or Brent Jones. It was up to Joe to elevate the level of the receivers. However, one of the most important core player that a good WCO has to have is a versatile RB that can pound the ball, and catch the ball well out of the backfield. KC gave him just that in Marcus Allen - if you consider that Allen was once a Superbowl MVP, you won't say KC didn't give him enough. Of course it didn't stop there; they acquired Paul Hackett for their OC. Yeah. They weren't just going to half-ass it that time. They went all-in. They shored up their off-season with 2 more OL picks during the draft [Willie Shields came during that draft.] TL; DR In terms of the continuity of offensive system, Joe had no hiatus. It was WCO from his SF days till his retirement in KC, exactly the way he was taught. 3. So - if you want to contend that [Joe did it in KC - now Brady won't!], think about that. If Charlie Weis or Josh Mac joins - or better yet, Belicheat joins as the OC, with a number of core players like savvy TEs and WRs, I don't think Brady won't perform either. Look at how Joe performed. Change of scenery didn't matter much when he had all the necessary components to run his offensive system. 4. Thus - calling Brady a system QB is not really telling much. Boomer Esiason was a system QB. Dan Fouts was a system QB. Steve Young was a system QB. Maybe those HoF QBs that don't belong under the [system QB tag] come before the days of Coryell offense. [Fran Tarkenton comes to mind.] 5. If I had to add a few more; my favorite offensive system isn't WCO. I love their philosophy and approach. [I think computers can do a wonderful job to complement WCO with statistical approach.] But when it comes to terminology - the most important aspect in my mind - it falls severely short. Erhardt/Perkins system, to me, was the most efficient system in modern day football. [New England offense functions like a well-oiled machine for a good reason.] 6. Yeah - I do enjoy calling them cheaters, but - the fact of the matter is, you cannot win the Kentucky Derby on a fucking donkey. And definitely not 4 times. On top of that - cheating might get you over the top every once in a blue moon, but it won't keep you there. Look at how long Patriots dominated the entire NFL and not just the AFC East. It's quite obvious that, Bill knows something that the rest of the league doesn't - and he's taking full advantage of it. Back in the day, that was Coryell and Gillman. Then it was Walsh. Did they also cheat? I do not think so. Granted they are not shady like Belicheat, but I do think we all should acknowledge where the credit is due. Belichick is one heck of a coach - and Brady is a phenomenal QB, after all that's been said and done.
Steelers are going to take it up the ass Sunday, you will check in here during the beat down so we know your OK?
We beat ourselves without our HOf QB See ya in January And go fuck yourself with a splintered broom handle
You been suiting up shithead? My guess is you beat yourself every night pretending you're shagging princess leah while making sure not to wake up mom.
