Tulsa, Oklahoma Police Shooting

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  1. zace

    zace Well-Known Member

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    I know you were.

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  2. zace

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    Youre an idiot. I cant imagine youve accomplished too much in your life. Yeah i got some great Charlotte hornets swag last night. With grandma mas autograph too

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  3. greaser

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    Believe me, you don't.
    Thats fine, I will bow out now and let all the law enforcement experts compare hindsight with each other. Clearly this forum is an untapped treasure trove of intellectuals that have all of this figured out.
    Almost all of you do not have the life experience or education to come to a firm conclusion based on the information available and that is exactly what my problem is. I don't know if she was justified or not. I can give reasons why she may have used deadly force but like a free thinking individual I reserve judgment until the experts weigh in and information is available.
    Please though, carry on with your cop hunt.
     
  4. zace

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    Trust me dude, my education is a lot higher than yours. I make life or death decisions for people every day of my life at work. You ever watch someone suffer because you gave them a med to treat one thing then they suffer from side effects of the drug, but dammit they need that drug or theyll be worse? One wrong decision and thats my license thats gone.

    Police are public servants and thats what they need to remember these days. You have a few bad ones who make all look bad. You can argue all you want but the fact still remains crime as been decreasing for years from its peak decades ago. Yet police shootings of unarmed individuals seems to be increasing. Not just black, white as well.

    She has to be accountable. She had no reason to use deadly force. Even if he was high, thats not how she was trained to react, and dont tell me otherwise, im very close to a lot of police officers. Theyve spoken at lenght about how they hate this shit. And dont you dare question me on this subject, because If you knew anything about me, im almost always pro law enforcement. I always side with first responders because its what i deal with.

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    Thank you for reinforcing my position with this one presumptuous statement.
     
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    Sure tell yourself that. If it helps you sleep at night

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  7. greaser

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    I agree some academies are more of a college atmosphere with less stress and physical requirements. But your statement not true or educated.
    For example, I was in the US army and a police officer. I can without a doubt tell you that we had more drop outs from the very intense le academy than as combat arms basic training in the military. Believe me when I tell you it was very tough. Tougher still to graduate FTO.
    Perhaps the problem with this is a non-standardized system.
    My position is the same. When did you become an expert on these matters to make a statement such as this? You clearly based this on your perception and literally nothing else.
    Furthermore, I'll say it again. His hands were NOT up when he was shot and he was not obeying lawful ordes. Deadly decision unfortunately.
     
  8. greaser

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    By the way, watch all the heads explode around here when it is reported that not only did he have pcp in his possession but also 5, FIVE warrants for his arrest.
    Que the back peddling in 3...2...
     
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    OK - so he is a bad dude. But cops aren't judge, jury and executioner. That stuff matters only in so much as he was to be taken as a serious threat.

    I'm not saying one side or the other is right, but wanted to make this simple point.
     
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  10. greaser

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    Look man, take it from me and a lot of other cops, soldiers, airmen. Things happen quick when you are literally in a fight for your life. You know how fast things can get real ugly? If you allow someone to return to thier vehicle they can pull a gun and shoot you before you can think to pull the trigger. Action is always faster than reaction. This is why a man with a knife can kill you even if you're ready with your weapon. I'm sorry but as the old saying goes, "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6".
    It's impossible to explain to a pharmacist or a reporter or a construction worker what its like. A sickening feeling in your gut that death is potentially right there. You or him.

     
  11. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I understand and agree with all that, but it does not make the warrants and PCP more or less relevant. The dead guys actions are what matters. If he wasn't taking direction and doing things that could have been interpreted as threatening, like reaching for a pocket or in the car or whatever, then I'm fine with the cop firing. I don't know if we have enough info to determine either way watching that video.

    He could have been wanted for mass murder and it wouldn't give the police any more right to shoot him if he was following directions and not making dangerous movements.
     
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  12. greaser

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    Absolutely but you enter this encouter with the knowledge that this man's actions will perhaps be more desperate considering his warrants and history.
    Thus, the need for what is known as a felony stop.

    Edit: did you watch the video? Gut wrenching no?
     
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    face is 8/10. would still smash.
     
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    and why is that?
     
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    I think we've all learned a valuable lesson from this tragic incident. Women should not be allowed to have jobs.


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  16. zace

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    Theres no back peddling. Theres no excuse for that force. He was never a threat to her. He obviously couldnt go anywhere.

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  17. Dierking

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    greaser says so
     
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  18. greaser

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    To be critical of the police is fine. To make up your mind in a matter of hours after the story breaks with little to no details is irresponsible.
     
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    She didn't have reason to pull her gun other than she didn't know what the fuck she was doing.

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  20. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I don't know how anyone could be so sure. The video doesn't look good, I'll give you that, but it's hardly clear as day.
     
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