This is a healthy way to ask critical questions. Good post. My problem is the lynchmob that forms everytime a cop(s) actions are deemed wrong by people that couldn't possibly have the facts, have zero life experience in such matters and have a political ax to grind. It is infuriating.
All of this; conjecture and speculation based on a short video. Either that or I owe you a congratulations on your seemingly supernatural ability to decipher this from 20 seconds of footage.
yeah but we sure as hell don't give the same treatment to non-cop criminals as you are asking for this cop criminal. If the opposite happened and we had video footage of this guy gunning down the lady cop just trying to help him with his engine trouble you sure wouldn't be here telling people they need to get all the facts first, that maybe his life was in danger or the cop was on drugs, and that they shouldn't form a lynchmob every time there is a supposed "cop killer," etc. I happen to think you'd pretty much have your mind up on that one.
1. Not relevant. Doesn't make him a threat. Not legal grounds for shooting him. 2. Hands were in clear sight. Watch the helicopter video. 3. Not relevant. Shouldn't factor into a person's reasoning for shooting someone. The only thing relevant to shooting someone is whether they are an immediate threat to someone's life. I don't care if he grabbed his dick with one hand, flipped them off with the other, and said all pigs should die. None of that is grounds for pulling a gun on him much less shooting him. People sure do love to ask a lot of irrelevant questions when black people get shot by cops in order to make it seem like some kind of special circumstance. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk
ok,here's my take,based on the article and the video.this is probably not going to be popular, but if this guy was on angel dust then it was his actions that started the sequence that would ultimately lead to his death. while the cop should stand trial and answer for her actions,i don't feel too much symapthy for the man. there's no doubt in my mind that he would be alive if he would have stayed sober.
...or obeyed the lawful orders given to him. Someone said his hands were in plain sight. I observed him reaching in the vehicle. Given the pretext we have and the possible drug use the lynch mob may look stupid, AGAIN.
I think a lot of what the 'black lives matter' group stands for its complete bullshit but I recently had a valuable conversation with someone defending the group and this person opened my eyes a bit to things like you describe. In a case like this, at the very least its a sad circumstance that was a result of some questionable actions by the police. I mean its pretty obvious as much as any video you'll see that this guy didn't deserve to die. and yet so many people just simply cannot say "what a tragedy. I feel for the family and I hope there is some accountability for this mistake." Its like impossible for many people to just stop there. They HAVE to add the "ok, BUT..." .. "ok, BUT why was the guy walking away?" / "ok, BUT white people are killed as much as black people are." / "ok, BUT did he have drugs or a criminal background?" irrelevant questions. Like when that guy in South Carolina was gunned down in the back clear as day (justice was served) and that idiot junc was on here "lets get all the facts...." where the whole 'black lives matter' thing comes in is that we don't give that same "ok, BUT" treatment to white victims. In fact, we saw it on this very website when the police shot that deaf white kid. people weren't saying "ok, BUT why didn't he stop when he saw the lights..." it was mostly a universal: "wow, what a tragedy. These police need better training to deal with things like this so it doesn't happen again"
Not you but what has been the overall media narrative of racist cops when the issue may very well be jumpy, fearful cops.
Any one of those things in and of itself to be more precise but multiple steps were involved here. This is another case where for some reason a person who has a law enforcement officer pointing a gun at them decides to just do what ever he wants.
I ask these questions because it is all what lead to that moment when he got shot. It actually is relevant because the officer accesses the situation based upon what they see overall not just at that last split second. When a car is in the middle of the road and the person in question is acting irrational the officer may think the person in question may do something else irrational. People sure do love to think questions others ask are irrelevant if it calls into question their line of thinking.
The ONLY thing ever relevant to a cop shooting someone is if the person is an active threat to another person's life. That's it. Either they are or they aren't. Not listening to the cops and not following instructions is not part of that. Otherwise you have no business holding a gun because you don't know how to properly use it. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk
And you know this person was not a threat because you watched the video? The actions prior to when he dropped his hand when he was by the side of the car set the scene. Still not sure what the cop who shot saw but to discount his prior actions as not relevant is absolutely wrong.
What was he going to do with his hands against the car? Stare at them to death? In what way, up against the car, could he possibly have caused mortal injury to the cops or bystanders? Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk
Interesting take. What training/experience do you have with use of force? You seem to have convinced yourself that you have it all figured out. I just would like to know at what point you consider someone a threat after making contact. I'm not asking you to go through a use of force matrix. Lets just say in this case for example. You have an individual strung out on PCP as initial reports are saying he was found to be in possession. You are giving a lawful order that is not being followed. Your weapon is drawn. The individual walks to his car and appears to reach in the vehicle. At what point do you fear for your saftey and stop the action he is taking? Is it fair to say, man thats tough to look at but these cops are dealing with some shit that most people will never understand? Tragically a life is gone but how much responsibility lies with this man? Should she have used leathal force? I just don't know yet. I know for sure that this man put them in the position to make this decision and there is nothing ritious about it.
Conjecture? Speculation? There was no gun. No one saw a gun. No other cop shot him. Those are facts. The only thing that matters, is what he was doing when he was shot. Nothing before that matters.
