Here's one of my issues. Mr Pompoms champions the idea that Hack, champion of high school QBs, overcame the loss of many prospects who would have played with him prior to the Sandusky scandal. Why wasn't he stolen from a better school? I know it seems like a petty question, but when a killers row of prospects leaves town, why did the blue chip signal caller stay? This is actually relevant since his freshman year is constantly used as a measuring stick.
Gruden asked him about that in his QB draft show. I don't really remember the exact reasons, but I believe it had something to do with wanting to finish his commitment, and having roots there. I remember liking the kid in that show and how he responded to Gruden. Kolmann talks about that in the radio interview. That Hack wouldn't pass on any blame for what happened at PS, and that Gruden wanted to see if the kid would do that. I think Gruden really liked the kid for that. We're making excuses for him. Hack has never made any excuses.
In numerous videos he has explained why he went to Penn state even with the scandal and stayed after his freshman year. Now we are questioning him because he was loyal to a school he grew up loving and looking up to. Most guys in that Pa region do. I commend him for that, things don't always work out how you want it. He made the best of it and at the time pointed no fingers until he was asked about it going into the draft.
That's only true to an extent. How does a QB "elevate the talent" or play of an O-Line bereft of talent and incapable of blocking? What can a QB do to "elevate the talent" of an incompetent coaching staff? How does a QB "elevate" the performance of a line that offers little or no pass protection? How do you make a silk purse from a sow's ear?
Yes, your questions above are very petty. Just goes to show (your petty questions above) that you've lacked overall research on Hackenberg's decision making. A.) He selected Penn State due to being his childhood dream. That's why. He's on record stating this as well. B.) You must be unaware that while coming out of H.S he turned down offers from the University of Florida, South Carolina & Alabama (to name a few). "Why wasn't he stolen from a better school" was a laughable remark (on your part). C.) After his Freshman year (since you're unaware) he actually could've transferred to any college program within the Nation as the Countries #1 QB prospect heading into his Sophomore season. With proper research you would've known that Hackenberg went on record, and stated how he had too much pride to quit on his teammates & therefore decided to stay with PSU. But for you to act (more like pretend) that Hack didn't have (multiple) options outside of PSU; just goes to show how little you really know (or knew).
Ding. Ding. Ding. It's unfourtnate but fans who've lacked research of Hackenberg seem to be clueless in regards to Hackenberg's decision making regarding on why he decided to not only select PSU but to also stay. There usually isn't a such thing as a "stupid question" but on the flip side a little bit of research can go a long ways in order to prevent asking uneducated questions. Tennessee. South Carolina. Florida. Alabama etc all offered scholarships. He selected PSU in order to live out his childhood dream of playing for his favorite program. After his Freshman season could've transferred to any school within the Nation too. He's not a quitter. He's also been physically & mentally tested more than any QB coming out over the past two NFL drafts. Gotta admire these traits surrounding Hackenberg.
It's a legit question. Even Gruden asked it. I don't think Hack looked for the easy way out, but it raised some interest for sure. The whole thing is a little complicated.
Who cares why he stayed who cares what he did in HS. I only care what he did in college as it translates to the NFL. Hack has few things going for him , he is a freak of nature, big, big arm, prototypical NFL size. He has big downsize also, his pocket presence and accuracy where both on dis play in his first game action. The real reason why I think the Jets chose him in rd 2 is that Hack is very young. Most Qb's redshirt their freshman year in college and if they don't play all four years. In football years Hack should be going into his Junior year in college. He has a ton of upside and is young enough to fix his flaws. We will see if he can, but patience is a must. For the love of god please stop talking about him being the top HS QB. There are plenty of top recruits that sucked in college or are not good at the professional level.
HP’s Top QBs from the Class of 2012 Rank Name Size Hometown (High School) College Choice Grade Comments 1 Cyler Miles 6-4, 220 Denver, CO (Mullen) Washington 4.95 A physical specimen in the Cam Newton mold. Dynamic threat with huge upside. 2 Gunner Kiel 6-4, 220 Columbus, IN (East) Notre Dame 4.90 The best pure passer in this class. Few weaknesses. 3 Jeff Lindquist 6-3, 225 Mercer Island, WA (Mercer Island) Washington 4.75 Athletically gifted dual threat who reminds us of Jake Locker. 4 Trevor Knight 6-3, 195 San Antonio, TX (Ronald Reagan) Oklahoma 4.73 Superb runner with a strong arm who doesn't make many mistakes. 5 Travis Wilson 6-6, 205 San Clemente, CA (San Clemente) Utah 4.65 Great athlete for his size. Has a 40-inch vertical to go with his big arm. 6 Matt Davis 6-2, 202 Houston, TX (Klein Forest) Texas A&M 4.60 Physically mature quarterback should play early for A&M. 7 T. J. Millweard 6-4, 230 Ft. Worth, TX (All Saints) UCLA 4.55 The only private school QB ever to make Texas FB Magazine's Elite All-State team. 8 Zach Kline 6-2, 210 Danville, CA (San Ramon Valley) California 4.50 Crafty, accurate thrower with great poise. Could be best Cal QB since Rodgers. 9 Jameis Winston 6-4, 200 Hueytown, AL (Hueytown) Florida State 4.45 Big, strong athlete who is still very raw as a thrower. 10 Trenton Norvell 6-4, 215 Daytona Beach, FL (Seabreeze) Cincinnati 4.42 Excellent mechanics and footwork and accurate down the field. 11 Nick Patti 5-11, 180 Orlando, FL (Dr. Phillips) Boise State 4.40 Little dynamo with quick feet, downfield speed and a nice arm. 12 Brent Vanderveen 6-5, 203 Arroyo Grande, CA (Arroyo Grande) Oregon State 4.35 Tall, rangy QB with zip on his passes and surprising athletic ability. 13 Lamontiez Ivy 6-3, 225 East St. Louis, IL (East St. Louis) Jackson State 4.30 Well put-together QB with excellent throwing mechanics and a ton of upside. 14 Chad Kelly 6-3, 208 Buffalo, NY (St. Joseph) Clemson 4.25 Fine athlete with a knack for turning a negative play into a positive play. 15 Bart Houston 6-4, 201 Concord, CA (De La Salle) Wisconsin 4.23 Tough dual threat QB who knows how to win. 16 Anthony Alford 6-1, 205 Petal, MS (Petal) Southern Mississippi 4.20 Great athlete who was also a Jr USA Olympic outfielder. 17 Devin Fuller 6-0, 185 Old Tappan, NJ (Old Tappan) UCLA 4.18 Undersized but outstanding athlete who should thrive in spread scheme. 18 Tommy Armstrong 6-2, 210 Cibolo, TX (Steele) Nebraska 4.15 Looks like one of the Nebraska I-bone QBs of old. 19 Tanner Mangum 6-3, 195 Eagle, ID (Eagle) BYU 4.12 Highly productive passer with great feel for the game. 20 Maty Mauk 6-2, 185 Kenton, OH (Kenton) Missouri 4.10 Put up incredible numbers in high school with over 120 TD passes in last 2 seasons. 21 Chad Voytik 6-1, 183 Cleveland, TN (Cleveland) Pittsburgh 4.08 A bit undersized but tough and gritty. 22 Preston Dewey 6-3, 205 Austin, TX (St. Andrews) Miami (Fla) 4.05 Has a funky delivery, but gets the job done. 23 Connor Brewer 6-2, 195 Scottsdale, AZ (Chapparal) Texas 4.00 Similar in size and skill set to Colt McCoy. 24 Wes Lunt 6-5, 210 Rochester, IL (Rochester) Oklahoma State 3.95 Tall gun slinger who should do well in OSU's scheme. 25 Tyler Cameron 6-3, 210 Jupiter, FL (Jupiter) Wake Forest 3.70 Fearless lefty who should give the ACC fits in a few years. 26 Zeke Pike 6-5, 220 Edgewood, KY (Dixie Heights) Auburn 3.65 Big QB with a big arm, but must improve decision making. 27 Tavarius Bender 6-3, 208 Lincoln, NE (Southwest) Kansas State 3.60 Strong runner, but only threw 79 times as a senior. 28 Jake Rodriguez 6-3, 210 Rocklin, CA (Whitney) Oregon 3.55 Solid athlete and sound decision maker. 29 Tyler Matthews 6-3, 205 McPherson, KS (McPherson) TCU 3.50 Hard-nosed QB with a strong arm and good touch. 30 Nathan Peterman 6-2, 205 Fruit Cove, FL (Bartram Trail) Tennessee 3.48 Quick release resulted in 36 TD passes as a senior. 31 Robert Gregory 6-3, 181 Chicago, IL (Simeon) Undecided 3.45 Superb runner, very raw as a passer. 32 Jeremiah Briscoe 6-3, 197 Houston, TX (Stratford) Undecided 3.40 Has the arm to make all the throws, but must work on mechanics. 33 Greyson Lambert 6-5, 195 Jesup, GA (Wayne County) Virginia 3.30 Lanky QB who throws a soft, catchable ball.
One out of how many, and where was he ranked? Also, did you not notice that it's quite possible that there's at least one name conspicuously absent (Mariota)? I say "quite possible" because I'm not certain if he was a member of the HS class of 2012 or 2013.
I know others have answered but Hack almost did go to a "better school." Alabama wanted him badly and almost got him twice... before he even went to PSU and after O'Brien. Shady Saban negatively recruited the hell out of Penn State. It was close but Hackenberg simply loved Penn State. I think its a testament to the kid myself. He could've gone to Alabama, taken over for McCarron and played behind the Nation's best Offensive line, a heisman trophy RB and a heisman trophy caliber reciever in Amari Cooper. They'd won national championships. I wonder where Hackenberg would've went in the draft then
It was a dream come true for Hack to go to PSU, and to top it off, you had Bill O'Brien, who coached the great Tom Brady...I mean it was a perfect match. He stayed because he had pride, again psu was his dream school. He stuck it out and I give him TONS of credit....some kids left the program to get better opportunities to play, or better opportunities to play in the playoffs, Hack stuck it out, and it affected him the most because he went to a very pro style offense, to a basic remedial offense to say the least.
Interesting list but a lot of those guys are still in school and might turn out to be good NFLers actually!! Chad Kelly is probably a top 5 pick in April. Trevor Knight still playing at A&M could have a big year and be drafted early. Jameis Winston is already a good pro. Zach Kline simply got beat out by the number 1 overall draft pick in Jared Goff and sat out last year, he's at Fresno State and could still be a good prospect... Also their number 1 overall guy on the list, Miles, would've been awesome but had career ending injuries. And Anthony Alford, also on the list, quit football because he was a top baseball prospect and took the money. He is one of the Blue Jays top minor league prospects. and some of the guys? makes me question the credibility of the list maker. They got Lamontiez Ivy as number 13? Nobody had him rated like that. ESPN had him 56th overall at the position coming in. Same thing with Trenton Norvell- who most every outlet had as a ho/hum 3* prospect (and also BTW is still in school and one of the best FCS QBs in the nation - so his future remains to be seen as well.) long story short, I'm not sure what you are trying to say with the questionable, still pending list? that high school doesn't matter? yeah, probably but this list sure doesn't prove that.
My point is being a Top HS prospect does not mean you will be a good pro. As you pointed out some on the list have potential some just suck some are a victim of circumstance. A better predictor is how they performed in college and that is not always the case either.
Sorry but who is HP in terms of their presence, credibility and their level of recognition by College scouts in search of top high school football prospects? I couldn't find them anywhere so far. The most established ranking bodies I know of are Scout.com, Rivals.com, 247Sports and ESPN. All four of these mostly subscription based service providers graded Hackenberg as a 5 Star prospect with Scout, Rivals and 247Sports ranking him as the #2 best Pro-Style QB in the Nation and ESPN ranking him as the #1 Pro-Style QB Nationwide. Anyway, your list above appears to be from the High School Senior class the year ahead of Hackenberg's graduating class. Do you have a link to HP's site? Before posting it, you might want to check their 2013 list of Pro-Style QB prospects. When I went to 247Sports' site a few minutes ago, they had the same issue whereby Hack didn't appear anywhere on the 2012 list of prospects but was ranked #2 on the 2013 list of Pro-style HS QB prospects in the nation behind Max Browne.
The post I deleted above yours questioned the same but I then saw he was just showing how a HS ranking means nothing as far as which prospect will become a good pro.
