I got rid of my avatar of hiim a year ago...not sure if he was a top dt junc. Also, Im a bit miffed (always wanted to use that word here) that this was leaked to the media...its very "Herminian" to let the other team know a gameplan before the actual game.
I was just thinking the same thing, strange that Mangini would be discussing these moves with Cimini. Maybe it's some sort of smokescreen, who knows...
Exactly..thats something you just all of a sudden discover about 4 plays into the game...im surprised too.
I agree about leaking it to the meida, I woulldn't have done that but maybe it's just a smokescreen to make NE prepare for something we may not do.
I can tell you this about D-rob: I voted for the pro bowl a couple weeks back, when the ballots first came out. On the positions where I was not so well informed, I wanted to make sure I made the right choice based on a player's numbers instead of name recognition. The online ballot allows you to observe the statistics head-to-head against every other nominee. D-rob, at the time the ballot came out, is/was leading the AFC in tackles by DTs. Really. Blew my mind, how can that be? So I actually voted for him, based on the numbers and not the team. I brought that up with another Jets fan at the bar last Sunday, he said its because everybody runs right at D-rob. Now that could be, but since he is #1 in tackles, that would still mean he makes more tackles than any DT in the conference. It doesn't seem to make sense, considering how bad our run D is. I'm still trying to figure this one out...
He gets blown back off the line of scrimmage 2-3 yards most plays. Even when the Jets DL manages to tackle a RB on first contact it's usually a 3-4 yard gain. Tackles by themselves are an extremely poor stat to judge any player on.
Exactly as a nose tackle you are supposed to force double teams because one o-line man can't get a push on you, every play he is driven back wards, i think he can make a great 3-4 DE but the nose forget it, if he can't play end and moore can't play the nose than the jets need to draft 2 d-line men next year
I guess I could have added, I don't get it, it seems to me that every time we get run on in the middle, the tackle gets made by a LB or safety. That was what I really had such a hard time with, how has D-rob made so many tackles, and yet he never seems to stop anybody? I guess I just wasn't paying attention every time he does his job, only noticing every time he doesn't.
I guess he's made alot compared to the other DT's around the league(I haven't seen the comparison) but there are 8 guys on the Jets with more tackles then him, the entire starting secondary and LBs. The Jets have the 3rd highest number of rushing attempts against them and with all the yards they've given up they probably have a larger pool of total tackles then most teams.
I think Robertson will be much more successful as an end in the 3-4, where he's better suited. Hopefully this guy we signed from the Eagles can take a few snaps. His size is a plus. The fact that he was out there might be more of a testament to the Eagles depth at DT than a lack of talent. Remember that fat load that played for us in NFLE, Tim McGill? He'd be a nice guy to have around this year. I think he's riding the pine in Green Bay. -X-
get outta here. nobody wants to hear your "maybe d-rob doesnt suck afterall" crap. we gave up a lot for him and he cant even dominate at any position we're asking him to dominate. seriously :rofl2:
Well just for kicks I went through the game logs of all of our games this year and noted anywhere that D-Rob was credited with a tackle or an assist. I won't bore you with all the stats but one thing interesting; he has had 5 tackles/assists that were for 0 or less yards, while having 9 for 5 or greater yards.
I think DFat just sucks no matter what position he is in. If he takes like a 50% paycut then maybe he'd be worth it.
Stats schmats. D-Rob has been a non-factor for all but about 15 total plays this year. You can tell that by simply watching him get owned play after play on defense. Then we get in a bind and he either gets his head out of his ass and gets a double-team or penetration and the defense all of a sudden becomes effective for 3-4 plays after that. D-Rob is the biggest problem we have on defense. No pun intended.
The problem is when you take a guy at #4 where you traded two first round picks to move up and get him that guy better be better than not to bad. He hasn't been that bad but the problem is he hasn;t been good..
Junc, you need to stop coming back with, "well, he was one of our best Defensive players in the 2004." it's not 2004; that was two years ago with a different team and a different regime. why is this the only positive thing you can ever say about Robertson? try determining his worth THIS year based on his play. cheers
listen when you draft a player with your 4th pick you build a team around him. what has our coaching staff done instead? they did everything they could to make him fail. they did everything right in 04 when they put a good, big dt next to him in ferguson. robertson shot the gaps, he collapsed the pocket, he created havoc. he just dominated. and looked what happened since then. they put a 270 lbs nose tackle rofl: ) next to him in 05 and in 06 those retards decided to switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense. this has to be the dumbest move i've seen in a long, long time. so now you have a bunch of pro bowl type of guys playing out of position (vilma, robertson, barton, ellis etc)...yeah im shocked this thing hasnt worked out yet
hello? we drafted him exactly because of THAT! we didnt draft him to become a nose tackle, thats so retarded. you cant draft a WR at 5th overall and then 2 years later switch him to TE and expect him to dominate as a run or pass blocker.
so we drafted him at #4 overall, knowing that he wouldn't be good unless he had a huge DT next to him to make it easier for him? that's a #4 overall pick? cheers
thats what you usually do. you build a team around your top 5 picks. do you think warren sapp would've had the same success he's had in the past without guys like mcfarland and simeon rice right next to him? do you think he could've been a dominate player with a guy like...lets say james reed next to him? and a secondary that includes erik coleman and justin miller instead of ronde barber and john lynch? even james reed would've made the pro bowl in tampas defense when they won the superbowl
